Honda to leave F1
Discussion
REALIST123 said:
Having recently bought an EV, which does most of what we need in a car, I would say EVs are here for a long time for domestic use.
Hydrogen will be used for some purposes but I can’t see a single advantage it will have for private cars.
It will for SUV's and larger cars, as the weight penalty for pure EV in larger vehicles is already driving the likes of BMW to say that hydrogen tech is the future for larger vehicles, and the commercial/haulage sector.Hydrogen will be used for some purposes but I can’t see a single advantage it will have for private cars.
DanielSan said:
Even though they are obliged to supply, that first meeting will be amusing.Cyril is going to be grinning from ear to ear.
Exige77 said:
DanielSan said:
Even though they are obliged to supply, that first meeting will be amusing.Cyril is going to be grinning from ear to ear.
Exige77 said:
DanielSan said:
Even though they are obliged to supply, that first meeting will be amusing.Cyril is going to be grinning from ear to ear.
Cyril will have no more power of veto than this. Especially given he isn't presiding over a successful works team. He's got far more pressing concerns meeting the demand for results from the parent company than who any given engine customer is. If he is sensible about it he will step back from this and leave RBR to deal with the customer service side of the setup and focus on his own problems. The limelight of Alonso will only distract for so long after all.
Although you have to allow the man some degree of smugness about it if RBR have to go back to Renault. But let's not confuse smugness with power of veto. Cyril is just a gatekeeper in this, not the lord of the manor.
jsf said:
Exige77 said:
DanielSan said:
Even though they are obliged to supply, that first meeting will be amusing.Cyril is going to be grinning from ear to ear.
A lot of people seem to think Renault will be enjoying watching this unfold and are waiting in the wings for RB to come begging for their engines. I’m not so sure though. It is pretty much guaranteed that RB will beat Renault on the track week in week out. Is that a good thing for Renault? Being beaten by a customer team year after year could just spell the end of Renault having a factory team.
I really don’t think there are winners here at all.
I really don’t think there are winners here at all.
spunkytherabbit said:
I think the decision goes way above Cyril's head. He is the face of their F1 team and the person who is seen as the go to for Renault F1 matters but I doubt very much he makes the final decision on customer engines. Sure they are obliged to supply under the regs but taking this situation away for a minute, someone else runs the engine and customer supply side. Wolff probably has similar watching brief and is a gate keeper for customer conversations with Merc customers but you can bet he doesn't make the final supply decision.
Cyril will have no more power of veto than this. Especially given he isn't presiding over a successful works team. He's got far more pressing concerns meeting the demand for results from the parent company than who any given engine customer is. If he is sensible about it he will step back from this and leave RBR to deal with the customer service side of the setup and focus on his own problems. The limelight of Alonso will only distract for so long after all.
Although you have to allow the man some degree of smugness about it if RBR have to go back to Renault. But let's not confuse smugness with power of veto. Cyril is just a gatekeeper in this, not the lord of the manor.
Wild guesses delivered with blind certainty.Cyril will have no more power of veto than this. Especially given he isn't presiding over a successful works team. He's got far more pressing concerns meeting the demand for results from the parent company than who any given engine customer is. If he is sensible about it he will step back from this and leave RBR to deal with the customer service side of the setup and focus on his own problems. The limelight of Alonso will only distract for so long after all.
Although you have to allow the man some degree of smugness about it if RBR have to go back to Renault. But let's not confuse smugness with power of veto. Cyril is just a gatekeeper in this, not the lord of the manor.
dh00065p said:
I was at Silverstone on Wednesday and saw the Aston Martin Valkyrie doing some testing at lunchtime.
A stunning creation from the mind of Adrian Newey.
So how about
Stroll senior,Aston Martin,Mercedes power,Vettel plus Adrian Newey.
Now that would be an interesting combination for 2022.
And Toto as team principal of course A stunning creation from the mind of Adrian Newey.
So how about
Stroll senior,Aston Martin,Mercedes power,Vettel plus Adrian Newey.
Now that would be an interesting combination for 2022.
How about this....
Red Bull get ex Mercedes Formula 1 engine boss Andy Cowell, who left the team last summer to "seek a new engineering challenge".
He teams up with ex Honda engine staff who will have lost their jobs. Red Bull invite Ilmor to join them and do a deal with Honda for their production machinery, move it all in house and RBR get their own engine.
They've got loads of money. The staff and technology are there and Cowell knows these power units better than almost anyone else on the planet.
Sorted!
Red Bull get ex Mercedes Formula 1 engine boss Andy Cowell, who left the team last summer to "seek a new engineering challenge".
He teams up with ex Honda engine staff who will have lost their jobs. Red Bull invite Ilmor to join them and do a deal with Honda for their production machinery, move it all in house and RBR get their own engine.
They've got loads of money. The staff and technology are there and Cowell knows these power units better than almost anyone else on the planet.
Sorted!
Edited by Blib on Saturday 3rd October 13:15
Do we not think that other bigger uber grubers at the top of the Engine Manufacturer companies would applaud the balls of Honda secretly, while looking at their massively expensive engine program for F1 - *cough*Mercedes*cough* - and perhaps think they could offload it to some 3rd party billionair/investment company to run it for them.....
Who knows perhaps "F1" itself might purchase it and produce its own engines for teams alongside Manufacturers - all they would need is someone in charge with vast experience to do it, instead of some american dude...............
Otispunkmeyer said:
REALIST123 said:
Bad news for Honda too, IMO. Embarrassing for them, giving up on F1 twice in just over a decade.
And just as they seem to get going, they lob the towel in.
I'm just astonished that Renault haven't pulled the plug by now as well.
sandman77 said:
A lot of people seem to think Renault will be enjoying watching this unfold and are waiting in the wings for RB to come begging for their engines. I’m not so sure though. It is pretty much guaranteed that RB will beat Renault on the track week in week out. Is that a good thing for Renault? Being beaten by a customer team year after year could just spell the end of Renault having a factory team.
I really don’t think there are winners here at all.
Agreed. Another few years of Red Bull absolutely smashing Renault whilst slagging off their engine like a grumpy Alonso every time they're second or fifth probably isn't great PR for renault. Of course, 2022 might see the end of Mercedes/Brawn dominance. I really don’t think there are winners here at all.
spunkytherabbit said:
I think the decision goes way above Cyril's head. He is the face of their F1 team and the person who is seen as the go to for Renault F1 matters but I doubt very much he makes the final decision on customer engines. Sure they are obliged to supply under the regs but taking this situation away for a minute, someone else runs the engine and customer supply side. Wolff probably has similar watching brief and is a gate keeper for customer conversations with Merc customers but you can bet he doesn't make the final supply decision.
Cyril will have no more power of veto than this. Especially given he isn't presiding over a successful works team. He's got far more pressing concerns meeting the demand for results from the parent company than who any given engine customer is. If he is sensible about it he will step back from this and leave RBR to deal with the customer service side of the setup and focus on his own problems. The limelight of Alonso will only distract for so long after all.
Although you have to allow the man some degree of smugness about it if RBR have to go back to Renault. But let's not confuse smugness with power of veto. Cyril is just a gatekeeper in this, not the lord of the manor.
As Toto is a significant share holder I suspect he could very well veto a decision to supply another team.Cyril will have no more power of veto than this. Especially given he isn't presiding over a successful works team. He's got far more pressing concerns meeting the demand for results from the parent company than who any given engine customer is. If he is sensible about it he will step back from this and leave RBR to deal with the customer service side of the setup and focus on his own problems. The limelight of Alonso will only distract for so long after all.
Although you have to allow the man some degree of smugness about it if RBR have to go back to Renault. But let's not confuse smugness with power of veto. Cyril is just a gatekeeper in this, not the lord of the manor.
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