The Official F1 2023 silly season *contains speculation*
Discussion
entropy said:
I’m guessing Alonso is retiring at the end of 2025 then? Gtom said:
entropy said:
I’m guessing Alonso is retiring at the end of 2025 then? Pretty sure at this point Honda would fully forgive and forget if he made a public comment about how impressed he is with their recent efforts and how he regrets saying certain negative things in the past.. (hell might need to freeze over first from Fred's perspective, but I think Honda would accept it if he could muster the words).
The correct thing to do would be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogeza#:~:text=It%20...
Although that really might be a stretch to hope for
TheDeuce said:
The way the Japanese are, they have solved the problems he 'gently criticised' them for, gone on to deliver very reliable race winnings PU's, I think they're OK at this point. Fred is OK too, in his AM car.
Pretty sure at this point Honda would fully forgive and forget if he made a public comment about how impressed he is with their recent efforts and how he regrets saying certain negative things in the past.. (hell might need to freeze over first from Fred's perspective, but I think Honda would accept it if he could muster the words).
The correct thing to do would be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogeza#:~:text=It%20...
Although that really might be a stretch to hope for
What makes you say that, how well do you know the way the Japanese are?Pretty sure at this point Honda would fully forgive and forget if he made a public comment about how impressed he is with their recent efforts and how he regrets saying certain negative things in the past.. (hell might need to freeze over first from Fred's perspective, but I think Honda would accept it if he could muster the words).
The correct thing to do would be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogeza#:~:text=It%20...
Although that really might be a stretch to hope for
I said at the time and I'm still of the mind that maverick vinales absurd antics at Yamaha were a pre ordained way to be legitimately fired so he could run off to aprilia without yam losing face. Got called a loon but looking less fruity now isn't it.
And why with all the talent would honda need to come crawling back to Fred anyway?
Teddy Lop said:
TheDeuce said:
The way the Japanese are, they have solved the problems he 'gently criticised' them for, gone on to deliver very reliable race winnings PU's, I think they're OK at this point. Fred is OK too, in his AM car.
Pretty sure at this point Honda would fully forgive and forget if he made a public comment about how impressed he is with their recent efforts and how he regrets saying certain negative things in the past.. (hell might need to freeze over first from Fred's perspective, but I think Honda would accept it if he could muster the words).
The correct thing to do would be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogeza#:~:text=It%20...
Although that really might be a stretch to hope for
What makes you say that, how well do you know the way the Japanese are?Pretty sure at this point Honda would fully forgive and forget if he made a public comment about how impressed he is with their recent efforts and how he regrets saying certain negative things in the past.. (hell might need to freeze over first from Fred's perspective, but I think Honda would accept it if he could muster the words).
The correct thing to do would be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogeza#:~:text=It%20...
Although that really might be a stretch to hope for
I said at the time and I'm still of the mind that maverick vinales absurd antics at Yamaha were a pre ordained way to be legitimately fired so he could run off to aprilia without yam losing face. Got called a loon but looking less fruity now isn't it.
And why with all the talent would honda need to come crawling back to Fred anyway?
As for Japanese culture, I'm no expert but I remember at the time of Fred's comments there was a lot made public about how seriously the Japanese consider public criticism, or, 'losing face' to be. It effectively forces the person/firm being criticised to either do nothing, which is results in losing face, or to disprove the criticism, which is considered unfair as it places the burdon of proof on the one being criticised.
At the time it was quite interesting to look at how different cultures react to and make use of criticism.
Anyway, Honda are now winning races and as such have resolved the criticism made of them. So they're in a good place but will no doubt still culturally be disappointed that Fred was rude enough to make his criticism public.
Gtom said:
entropy said:
I’m guessing Alonso is retiring at the end of 2025 then? 
Delighted Honda managed to turn it around, amazing achievement and McLaren's subsequent troubles prove it wasn't just Honda getting things wrong even if McLaren would like us to believe that.
Mark-C said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Well this season just got even sillier than usual. Race at Imola this weekend cancelled due to the weather. Ignoring the 2020 season, when was the last time an Act of God binned an F1 race meeting?
Might depend on whether you consider Ballestre or Bernie as gods!Right decision though given the circumstances. Better to have made it early and be out of there, to let the authorities concentrate on more important things.
carl_w said:
Didn't the teams ask for extra money/higher budget cap due to it being a 23-race season? Now it's the same length as last year.
Not from the teams point of view, they've still all gone to Imola and spent broadly the same money - minus a few broken wings and some fuel I guess.Maybe an £800k saving on Red Bull's sandwiches for the weekend too.
An investment group including Ryan Reynolds and Rob Mcelhenney have bought a 24% stake in Alpine F1, worth €200m. https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12909634/w...
ajprice said:
Lots of sites in the last hour saying DeVries is gone from Alpha Tauri with immediate effect. Probably for Riccardo to go there.
Yup, Dutch journos reporting this.DR to be in the car from next week apparently.
Horner on stage at Silverstone on the weekend asked the crowd 'if he puts Daniel in a car will they be nicer to him?'
ajprice said:
Lots of sites in the last hour saying DeVries is gone from Alpha Tauri with immediate effect. Probably for Riccardo to go there.
Wow if that turns out to be true. Obviously DeVries hasn't worked out well at all but that car is clearly poor. Not sure it's the sort of return DR would relish. Gad-Westy said:
ajprice said:
Lots of sites in the last hour saying DeVries is gone from Alpha Tauri with immediate effect. Probably for Riccardo to go there.
Wow if that turns out to be true. Obviously DeVries hasn't worked out well at all but that car is clearly poor. Not sure it's the sort of return DR would relish. Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff