Vettel and traction control?
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mollytherocker said:
All i know is that they didnt put the kers system in the gearbox by accident.
There is a reason or a number of reasons.
Where do other teams keep theirs?There is a reason or a number of reasons.
It may sound like an odd place but it could be totally logical, most efficient or somewhere they had to resort to.
jsf said:
Aero.
If you package the car tightly, you can do more with the aero design, which has been the main focus of performance for the last decade.
Indeed. Newey himself said that he was not prepared to compromise the design of the car with kers. Its well known that he is not a fan of the technology.If you package the car tightly, you can do more with the aero design, which has been the main focus of performance for the last decade.
So, the packaging within the gearbox makes sense. But, i believe there is much more going on here.
Much more.
I think you will find the box in question is not unadjacent to this: http://www.mclarenelectronics.com/Products/Product...
The relevant rules are here: http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regula...
I suppose this amounts to 'Engineers, start your engines'. Go away and sort out what you can do with that lot. But I have a very good idea what RBR are doing with it!
The relevant rules are here: http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regula...
I suppose this amounts to 'Engineers, start your engines'. Go away and sort out what you can do with that lot. But I have a very good idea what RBR are doing with it!
Yellow Fever said:
Markedly NOT the way things have been this year to date though.
You have very selective memory.Singapore was the only race where Vettel had a clear and very distinctive performance advantage. In all the other races his rivals were either in better cars (generally pre-Spa) or almost-as-good cars (Spa, Monza, Korea, and Japan).
Edited by Jungles on Tuesday 15th October 09:42
Jungles said:
You have very selective memory.
Singapore was the only race where Vettel had a clear and very distinctive performance advantage. In all the other races his rivals were either in better cars (generally pre-Spa) or almost-as-good cars (Spa, Monza, Korea, and Japan).
You've been watching a very different F1 season to me.Singapore was the only race where Vettel had a clear and very distinctive performance advantage. In all the other races his rivals were either in better cars (generally pre-Spa) or almost-as-good cars (Spa, Monza, Korea, and Japan).
Edited by Jungles on Tuesday 15th October 09:42
Bombjack said:
You've been watching a very different F1 season to me.
He's right though, the Ferrari was the early car to beat. The Merc was (is) very quick in one lap place, the Lotus uses it tyres very well and has shown to be quick.RedBull are making the least mistakes, doing the right calls and maximising their package every weekend.
So basically is the idea that the KERS is activated to harvest energy on the exit of turns, off the brakes, in order to reduce the torque supplied by the motor? If so, it's fairly simple but quite clever.
Is there a regulation that says kers can only harvest energy during the braking phase?
Car does sound odd off the turns, that is for sure.
Is there a regulation that says kers can only harvest energy during the braking phase?
Car does sound odd off the turns, that is for sure.
vonuber said:
He's right though, the Ferrari was the early car to beat. The Merc was (is) very quick in one lap place, the Lotus uses it tyres very well and has shown to be quick.
RedBull are making the least mistakes, doing the right calls and maximising their package every weekend.
You underestimate the differences between qualy set up and race set up. RB have a race set up that exploits their aero advantage, exploits Sebs traction control and so manages their tyres better. The effective TC their KERS technology gives Seb means that he does'nt chew his tyres up so much while at the same time gets better traction out of corners than everyone else.RedBull are making the least mistakes, doing the right calls and maximising their package every weekend.
It is very clever. Good for them.
Sebastien is a worthy WDC this year.
His car does have traction control. Others do not. I think even Mark may not have it, given that his car does not even sound the same as Seb's. This may explain his demeanour - rather than enjoy his last season he seems just to want to get it over with.
RB did a great job. They exploited the rules and were cleverer than everyone else.
While I have enormous respect for Sebastien Vettel, I reserve judgement on him given how strong his car advantage is. But Adrian Newey is clearly the biggest asset in the team. Sebastien is just the jockey. A very talented jockey, but a jockey nonetheless and in a car that is a class above anything else - including his team mates car.
Interesting take on if Vettel has TC, then why doesn't Maaark?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2013/10/09/...
Will also being interesting to see, that if the above regarding winning points margins & costs implications are correct ...then will Red Bull's performance drop off a cliff once both titles are mathematically in the bag?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2013/10/09/...
Will also being interesting to see, that if the above regarding winning points margins & costs implications are correct ...then will Red Bull's performance drop off a cliff once both titles are mathematically in the bag?
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