Official 2020 Sakhir Grand Prix 2020 Thread **SPOILERS**
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kiseca said:
MDMetal said:
HighwayStar said:
HustleRussell said:
HighwayStar said:
Seriously!!! Creating an impression!!!?? Wow... sounds like case of too much thinking.
I cannot believe that I appear to be the only person to have picked up on this?Maybe he is is, y’know, actually pushing hard and why Bottas doesn’t generally get near him in races?
All this reminds me of Andretti’s quote...
“ If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.”
I've no clue if he "hams" it up (see what I did?) he clearly romps off most weeks and bags a win. Maybe he does read things and feels that he does need to make a point that it's not the car it's him. George has clearly answered some questions while creating others. Bottas isn't the worst driver on the grid, he's below Rosberg thats clear and it took Nico a hell of a lot of effort to beat Lewis and since then Lewis has doubled down. Neither George or Bottas have had enough F1 team mates to draw comparrisons, it seems reasonably clear george could beat the buttons of the world in the same car. Can he beat the Alonso's and Hamiltons? Who knows.
HustleRussell said:
Exige77 said:
Hammy not a proper champ coz he sounds a bit out of breath when on the radio 
What a ludicrous statement for you to makeI’d expect the big bad Wolfe to do all the huffing and puffing.
The debrief for the Sakhir GP is up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG7TP1lARDM
The crew didn't know they were double stacking and George was coming in, all they heard was the order to get Bottas tyres. Hence only Bottas tyres being there, which were put on to Georges car. Next Bottas came into the box and even more chaos occurred as they scrambled to work out what to put on as his tyres had gone, they eventually put his original tyres back on because all they had was Georges.
No doubt a frequency and procedure change is incoming.Listen to the debrief above. As I said, the two sets of mechanics & engineers don't all hear the same intercom mix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG7TP1lARDM
jsf said:
Mr Pointy said:
They may not all be hearing the same intercom mix though. Given the drivers can talk at any time there's a chance that they would talk at the same time which would be confusing if you were listening to both. It's possible that Russell's crew hear him & not Bottas & Bottas's team hear Bottas & not Russell. Obviously both teams hear senior staff like Wolff & Ron Meadows but even the two race engineers may be directed towards the individual crews.
The FIA penalty notes tell you what happened. There was crosstalk on the radio's which led to the wrong tyres being pulled off the racks as they didn't hear the order to get Georges tyres but did hear the order to get Bottas tyres.The crew didn't know they were double stacking and George was coming in, all they heard was the order to get Bottas tyres. Hence only Bottas tyres being there, which were put on to Georges car. Next Bottas came into the box and even more chaos occurred as they scrambled to work out what to put on as his tyres had gone, they eventually put his original tyres back on because all they had was Georges.
No doubt a frequency and procedure change is incoming.
Edited by Mr Pointy on Wednesday 9th December 17:45
Exige77 said:
HustleRussell said:
Exige77 said:
Hammy not a proper champ coz he sounds a bit out of breath when on the radio
What a ludicrous statement for you to makeExige77 said:
I’d expect the big bad Wolfe to do all the huffing and puffing.
I see what you did there Mark-C said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Exige77 said:
It would be the mark of a teal champion if he could serenade his engineer while driving the pants of the car ?
What will he do, quack? Wouldn't that just fit the bill. Looks like Russell will be doing the press conference for Mercedes tomorrow adding to speculation that he may be racing this weekend for them. Also Williams have listed Jack Aitken as a driver for this weekend.
Link to GP Blog article.
ETA - Oops - already mentioned on the correct Abu Dhabi GP thread - apologies!
Link to GP Blog article.
ETA - Oops - already mentioned on the correct Abu Dhabi GP thread - apologies!
Edited by C n C on Wednesday 9th December 18:30
ds. Joking about him fighting for breath while the poor man is battling covid. 
Pebbles167 said:
Abu Dhabi 2010 highlights just popped up on YouTube. Lewis still sounding breathless over radio, would suggest its either his preferred mic positioning or breathing pattern in my opinion.
I did suggest this in HR's defence earlier. I also still insist Vettel sounds like he has a boiled sweet in his mouth!Mr Pointy said:
The debrief for the Sakhir GP is up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG7TP1lARDM
The crew didn't know they were double stacking and George was coming in, all they heard was the order to get Bottas tyres. Hence only Bottas tyres being there, which were put on to Georges car. Next Bottas came into the box and even more chaos occurred as they scrambled to work out what to put on as his tyres had gone, they eventually put his original tyres back on because all they had was Georges.
No doubt a frequency and procedure change is incoming.Listen to the debrief above. As I said, the two sets of mechanics & engineers don't all hear the same intercom mix.
It doesn't alter what i said at all. The relevant team members are the guys grabbing the tyres for their driver. What is odd is that half of Georges tyre guys heard the call OK and the other half didnt, so his rears were taken out and fitted but not his fronts.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG7TP1lARDM
jsf said:
Mr Pointy said:
They may not all be hearing the same intercom mix though. Given the drivers can talk at any time there's a chance that they would talk at the same time which would be confusing if you were listening to both. It's possible that Russell's crew hear him & not Bottas & Bottas's team hear Bottas & not Russell. Obviously both teams hear senior staff like Wolff & Ron Meadows but even the two race engineers may be directed towards the individual crews.
The FIA penalty notes tell you what happened. There was crosstalk on the radio's which led to the wrong tyres being pulled off the racks as they didn't hear the order to get Georges tyres but did hear the order to get Bottas tyres.The crew didn't know they were double stacking and George was coming in, all they heard was the order to get Bottas tyres. Hence only Bottas tyres being there, which were put on to Georges car. Next Bottas came into the box and even more chaos occurred as they scrambled to work out what to put on as his tyres had gone, they eventually put his original tyres back on because all they had was Georges.
No doubt a frequency and procedure change is incoming.
Edited by Mr Pointy on Wednesday 9th December 17:45
James is not telling it correctly regarding why Bottas lost at the start, he says the reason was down to George having a better reaction time when its clear it was down to the way Bottas messed up his shift to 2nd. You can see that from the onboards and the overhead shots. Palmer correctly covers it also in his review of the start.
What is surprising in that piece is that they tried to engineer an advantage to Bottas by hoping for a safety car after George's stop, that was why they left Bottas out for a while rather than pitting on the next lap.
It's also interesting that George did most of the race with a down on power engine as the fault happenedon the way to the grid, yet he still spanked Bottas.
jsf said:
It doesn't alter what i said at all. The relevant team members are the guys grabbing the tyres for their driver. What is odd is that half of Georges tyre guys heard the call OK and the other half didnt, so his rears were taken out and fitted but not his fronts.
James is not telling it correctly regarding why Bottas lost at the start, he says the reason was down to George having a better reaction time when its clear it was down to the way Bottas messed up his shift to 2nd. You can see that from the onboards and the overhead shots. Palmer correctly covers it also in his review of the start.
What is surprising in that piece is that they tried to engineer an advantage to Bottas by hoping for a safety car after George's stop, that was why they left Bottas out for a while rather than pitting on the next lap.
It's also interesting that George did most of the race with a down on power engine as the fault happenedon the way to the grid, yet he still spanked Bottas.
That is indeed a good analysis. James is not telling it correctly regarding why Bottas lost at the start, he says the reason was down to George having a better reaction time when its clear it was down to the way Bottas messed up his shift to 2nd. You can see that from the onboards and the overhead shots. Palmer correctly covers it also in his review of the start.
What is surprising in that piece is that they tried to engineer an advantage to Bottas by hoping for a safety car after George's stop, that was why they left Bottas out for a while rather than pitting on the next lap.
It's also interesting that George did most of the race with a down on power engine as the fault happenedon the way to the grid, yet he still spanked Bottas.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eWttsGC64xk
Bottas gets wheel spin at the top of first, quickly through second and needs third to get any traction.
Perez was a very lucky boy there, he took a big impact on the right rear, that was enough to totally break Leclerc’s left front corner. Could easily have broken the gearbox or driveshaft.
Leclerc rightly takes a penalty this weekend, but the driver really kicking himself (and the tyre barrier!) was Max Verstappen, who didn’t notice the gravel trap and ran into it when hard on the gas.
I was, alongside a lot of fans I bet, really irritated by the accident Leclerc caused as it took out two drivers who could - possibly - have mixed it at the front. I felt sorry for Perez at the time but it was the cause of his best drive so far. It was the highlight of the race for me.
I was sorry for Verstappen at the time, but on looking at the incident again, a few times, it is clear that he accelerated when he was off the circuit and that was the reason he collided with the barrier. He admits, in Autosport, that he took a risk. It didn't pay off.
I was sorry for Verstappen at the time, but on looking at the incident again, a few times, it is clear that he accelerated when he was off the circuit and that was the reason he collided with the barrier. He admits, in Autosport, that he took a risk. It didn't pay off.
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