Williams F1

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TheDeuce

22,303 posts

68 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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With regard to the 3 above posts, I do appreciate that the setup at Williams is not the same as the others in the same revenue bracket. To an extent I'm comparing apples and pears. On the other hand, there is still the reality that despite the different business models, the teams compared are all broadly running from a similar budget and the Williams result last year was very poor, and this year has all the hallmarks of being at least as poor compared to the others.

I do agree that 'more money' would help any team. I just harbour a strong suspicion that if all teams were on a truly level playing field, that in their current state, Williams would still struggle to be competitive. I think more money would simply compensate for the issues they have, it wouldn't solve them.

rdjohn

6,238 posts

197 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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I think most managers of SMEs would agree that 90% of problems they have are people problems. Finance become less of a problem the more successful you are at managing the people problems.

An F1 team is really a big technical design consultancy, a small procurement and manufacturing arm with a mobile logistics and implementation team. The trick is to get them all singing from the same hymn sheet, and be confident in your delegation of tasks.

I suspect every aspect of that is broken at Williams, but at Racing Point, Otmar Szafnauer and Bob Fernley were able to keep everyone focused and motivated, even though the staff were not being paid properly.

Leadership is so important, and right now, Williams GP looks like a rudderless ship.

skwdenyer

16,708 posts

242 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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rdjohn said:
I think most managers of SMEs would agree that 90% of problems they have are people problems. Finance become less of a problem the more successful you are at managing the people problems.

An F1 team is really a big technical design consultancy, a small procurement and manufacturing arm with a mobile logistics and implementation team. The trick is to get them all singing from the same hymn sheet, and be confident in your delegation of tasks.

I suspect every aspect of that is broken at Williams, but at Racing Point, Otmar Szafnauer and Bob Fernley were able to keep everyone focused and motivated, even though the staff were not being paid properly.

Leadership is so important, and right now, Williams GP looks like a rudderless ship.
Agreed on all that. I suspect the private jet for Frank, the large houses for the Williams family, the flashy HQ, the large board of Directors are all factors in hindering progress - if the Williams family are running it as a profitable business, the staff will be much less inclined to dig in than in a more "scrappy" operation like FI (where it was clear that VJM was putting money in, not taking money out).

I'm not sure that CW see that.

TheDeuce

22,303 posts

68 months

Saturday 9th March 2019
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rdjohn said:
I think most managers of SMEs would agree that 90% of problems they have are people problems. Finance become less of a problem the more successful you are at managing the people problems.

An F1 team is really a big technical design consultancy, a small procurement and manufacturing arm with a mobile logistics and implementation team. The trick is to get them all singing from the same hymn sheet, and be confident in your delegation of tasks.

I suspect every aspect of that is broken at Williams, but at Racing Point, Otmar Szafnauer and Bob Fernley were able to keep everyone focused and motivated, even though the staff were not being paid properly.

Leadership is so important, and right now, Williams GP looks like a rudderless ship.
Couldn't agree more. That's exactly what I see. The staff certainly looked less than convinced with Claire's motivational speech in the Netflix docu.

Markhendy

1 posts

64 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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Well that table of F1 finances is wrong. HAAS ran an F1 team on a budget of 6 and a bit million. I don't think so. It's not possible to run an F1 team for less than £85m/season!

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

83 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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Markhendy said:
Well that table of F1 finances is wrong. HAAS ran an F1 team on a budget of 6 and a bit million. I don't think so. It's not possible to run an F1 team for less than £85m/season!
Well you don't know what deal they have with Ferrari. Their sponsor HAAS might give HAAS F1 machinery which they then use in a swap deal with Ferarri for a 90% complete F1 car.

HustleRussell

24,782 posts

162 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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I have a horrible feeling that Williams' appearance in Melborne could be worse than merely 'bad'. What if one or both of their cars don't make it out of the garage at all.

Teddy Lop

8,301 posts

69 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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HustleRussell said:
I have a horrible feeling that Williams' appearance in Melborne could be worse than merely 'bad'. What if one or both of their cars don't make it out of the garage at all.
don't worry, their arrival on Sunday evening will be triumphant.

TheDeuce

22,303 posts

68 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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HustleRussell said:
I have a horrible feeling that Williams' appearance in Melborne could be worse than merely 'bad'. What if one or both of their cars don't make it out of the garage at all.
I think they'll run, just that over the course of the race they'll be slow compared to everyone else. They had no problems as such getting their car out (once it arrived) in Barcelona, it was just incomplete for testing purposes... I don't imagine a huge amount has changed since then other than it now bring complete, and probably performs marginally worse if those illegal aero tweaks were actually effective.

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

85 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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They will do the Aus f1 weekend and no doubt finish near the back with no points. One of 5 teams and 10 drivers to do so.
Spending £100 million more would probably still mean no points.
You can see a longer term plan at work to still be around when the new rules are written.
Cant really see any reason to get on their case unless you are a disgruntled employee of super fan festooned in garments from their golden age.

rallycross

12,870 posts

239 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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Fundoreen said:

Cant really see any reason to get on their case unless you are a disgruntled employee of super fan festooned in garments from their golden age.
What like this guy?



Fundoreen

4,180 posts

85 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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I held off getting one of those jackets in the sell off they did of martini gear as it was too white. That was another poor design choice by williams and their sponsor.


Deesee

8,495 posts

85 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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rallycross said:
Fundoreen said:

Cant really see any reason to get on their case unless you are a disgruntled employee of super fan festooned in garments from their golden age.
What like this guy?


Na paddy/Harry Potter has always looked better in red..


sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

83 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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Fundoreen said:
I held off getting one of those jackets in the sell off they did of martini gear as it was too white. That was another poor design choice by williams and their sponsor.
I bought one, it's been alright actually. Helps if you don't do anything dirty in it.

Petrus1983

8,912 posts

164 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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Teddy Lop said:
don't worry, their arrival on Sunday evening will be triumphant.
This.

I’m so disappointed with what’s happened with Williams - I guess I grew up in their might - but this is just a calamity at the moment. Genuinely hoping they’ll prove me wrong come Sunday.

StevieBee

12,984 posts

257 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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sgtBerbatov said:
Fundoreen said:
I held off getting one of those jackets in the sell off they did of martini gear as it was too white. That was another poor design choice by williams and their sponsor.
I bought one, it's been alright actually. Helps if you don't do anything dirty in it.
Such as the carnal ways in which you might help CW cheer up?

TheDeuce

22,303 posts

68 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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Petrus1983 said:
This.

I’m so disappointed with what’s happened with Williams - I guess I grew up in their might - but this is just a calamity at the moment. Genuinely hoping they’ll prove me wrong come Sunday.
I genuinely 'wish' they would prove me wrong, but 'hope', that's kinda deserted me for them this season!!

I was more of a casual fan during their heights, but I remembered their capability when I got back into the sport in a big way around 2005 which is where they started to go downhill in a pretty big way. Then 2014/15 they showed some return to form, only to then fall down again and this time sink as low as it's possible to get. I would have said last year that 7 points was about as low as you can get but I hadn't anticipated that this season they'd turn up to testing with no car and then progress to Melbourne with a car that is essentially untested.

Leave alone some bits that were so clearly at odds with the regs that whatever they did get done in testing is now going to be different anyway. I can't believe when they chose to try and stretch the rules they didn't at the same time produce alternative components that were definitely legal, so that they could have swapped to testing with those once it was obvious the FIA were going to force them to lose the trickery. You kinda need to develop a plan b at the start if your preferred design could potentially be disallowed.

DanielSan

18,851 posts

169 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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If this is true then Christ!

Piginapoke

4,825 posts

187 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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DanielSan said:


If this is true then Christ!
A few websites are running this story. The cars will be in Melbourne today, so not long to find out if Williams are racing this weekend.

The cars are bespoke, so I can't see that going door to door to other teams for parts makes any sense.


LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

198 months

Tuesday 12th March 2019
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MAP explained it on Sunday night’s episode-there are in fact a large number of parts that can be swapped around cars as although bespoke, they share a lot of ancillary stuff that make up larger bespoke assembly’s.