Black Mercedes.
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TwentyFive said:
otolith said:
Is it your contention then that there is already a level playing field? That opportunity is equal? What do you believe is the reason that outcome is not?
I have edited my response as I realised misinterpreted what you said. To answer your question, yes there is a level playing field in F1. Everyone has the same rule book to interpret and everyone starts on zero points.
I presume you are looking at the angle that some teams are more wealthy than others but that has been addressed with the budget cap coming in too.
If we want every outcome to be equal then we may as well start handing out participation medals in F1 at the end of the year and scrap the WDC.
Outcomes in life will never be equal whether we like it or not.
vdn said:
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
sparta6 said:
TheDeuce said:
sparta6 said:
Or, perhaps, he has a selective memory when advancing his career 
But why does it matter to him? He wouldn't be able to do anything or live anywhere if he avoided all connections with all companies and places that have some level or racial discrimination in their history. Britain certainly does..He's judging those that he sees as creating problems with equality today. There isn't a problem with Daimler Benz's behavior or associations today so there is noting to fix or judge.
And yet Lewis is yet to convey how he thinks things could improve in Britain.
Every successful person I know has arrived through merit and hard work, regardless of ethnicity.
I don't know of another country as open and diverse.
Lewis himself is a prime example of that.
Your posts paint a picture; that you’ve never lived in the real world. Maybe one day you’ll get a taste.
Just repeatedly posting that Lewis is neither here nor there re’ Nazi’s - because their car is best - is about the thickest, dumbest, stupidest thing I’ve ever read on Pistonheads. And there’s a mountain to choose from
Lewis is yet to comment on the injustice of something his Paymasters were involved with just 80 years ago.
Maybe he just doesn't know ?!
We are all equally entitled to our own views
We used to get patrons at our London pub who would act in this manner, especially at chucking out time. You would have been in your element
Nampahc Niloc said:
Bo_apex said:
thiscocks said:
Well then I'd question what on earth has black crime in America got to do with Formula 1? Regarding the supposed racism in Formula one in not hiring enough minorities, that is another unquantifiable narrative influenced by the general BLM attitudes. As far as I am aware, if you are black or from an ethnic minority then the colour of your skin won't hinder you one bit. In this day and age it will most likely help you. (see previous posts about most companies wanting more 'diverse' work forces).
All Mercedes are doing is pandering to Hamilton's awfully boresome bandwagon jumping and to this pointless woke agenda in a pathetically shallow way. It's helping no one.
Makes you wonder if Hamilton or Mercedes have even looked at the data ?All Mercedes are doing is pandering to Hamilton's awfully boresome bandwagon jumping and to this pointless woke agenda in a pathetically shallow way. It's helping no one.
No mention of the white victims killed by Police.
Afterall, Hamilton is half white.
TwentyFive said:
thiscocks said:
Well then I'd question what on earth has black crime in America got to do with Formula 1? Regarding the supposed racism in Formula one in not hiring enough minorities, that is another unquantifiable narrative influenced by the general BLM attitudes. As far as I am aware, if you are black or from an ethnic minority then the colour of your skin won't hinder you one bit. In this day and age it will most likely help you. (see previous posts about most companies wanting more 'diverse' work forces).
Yes the diverse workforce element that I mentioned earlier is the bit that confuses me. In my industry on job application forms you can list if you have a disability or come from a BAME background and you will be guaranteed an interview. I completely understand the disability logic but why should someone be guaranteed an interview simply due to their heritage?? Its bizarre. That is not equality of opportunity so much as positive discrimination.To bring it back to F1 however, Mercedes stated in their post that 12% of their workforce come from BAME backgrounds. The total percentage of BAME residents in Europe is 14%. To me that looks like their workforce reasonably reflects society as a whole already.
A company like Mercedes (or in my opinion any company) should employ the best people for the role based on ability and if required then qualifications alone. As long as the application process is available for all (which as far as I can see it is) then they are providing equality of opportunity and anyone complaining that this is not going far enough is likely just looking for a free ride.
thiscocks said:
..but are responsible for 50% of the murders... Facts are racist
And why is that?Are black people naturally more violent?
Or is it a result of living in a worse economic situation (some would say poverty but it is a much over used word in the West when you compare it to true poverty)? Lack of economic opportunities leads to higher crime rate. This can be seen with all races.
thiscocks said:
Yep. The reason there is a smaller percentage of BAME at Mercedes compared to the percentage of population couldnt just be that perhaps there are a lot less BAME qualified engineers and / or BAME are less interested in working in F1? I guess it couldn't be that though, it just has to be to do with racism!
You know that for a fact? Mercedes certainly don’t. Please don’t confuse your own assumptions with evidence based study which is what Mercedes plan to conduct.And assuming that is true: Is there some genetic reason why black people are less interested in or capable of STEM subjects or are there environmental factors at play?
You would think that anyone interested in F1 would have a more scientific mind.
Total nonsense to artificially increase any demographic. F1 needs the best engineers, strategists etc. and it makes no difference what colour, sex age etc. they are as long as they are the best at what they do. Having the stated aim to defund and abolish the police is an extreme left policy that has nothing to do with race and I will never support such loonacy.
Nampahc Niloc said:
thiscocks said:
..but are responsible for 50% of the murders... Facts are racist
And why is that?Are black people naturally more violent?
Or is it a result of living in a worse economic situation (some would say poverty but it is a much over used word in the West when you compare it to true poverty)? Lack of economic opportunities leads to higher crime rate. This can be seen with all races.
Many of the black women I know have had enough of the black guys who are Baby Fathers. They have multiple babies with multiple women, 6 or more is not uncommon.
That can financially cripple many men, who then resort to crime in order to fund their lifestyle.
Fruitbat56 said:
Total nonsense to artificially increase any demographic. F1 needs the best engineers, strategists etc. and it makes no difference what colour, sex age etc. they are as long as they are the best at what they do. Having the stated aim to defund and abolish the police is an extreme left policy that has nothing to do with race and I will never support such loonacy.
Who said anything about artificially increasing any demographic?It’s about ensuring that everyone has the opportunity. If there were quotas, I’d be standing right next to you complaining.
Mercedes don’t have the stated aim to defund and abolish police, etc.
It’s spelled ‘lunacy’
sparta6 said:
Nampahc Niloc said:
thiscocks said:
..but are responsible for 50% of the murders... Facts are racist
And why is that?Are black people naturally more violent?
Or is it a result of living in a worse economic situation (some would say poverty but it is a much over used word in the West when you compare it to true poverty)? Lack of economic opportunities leads to higher crime rate. This can be seen with all races.
Many of the black women I know have had enough of the black guys who are Baby Fathers. They have multiple babies with multiple women, 6 or more is not uncommon.
That can financially cripple many men, who then resort to crime in order to fund their lifestyle.
up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times
more likely to drop out of school and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.”
otolith said:
thiscocks said:
..but are responsible for 50% of the murders... Facts are racist
And your theory for why that is would be?Who said it was a theory, it's been a fact for years. Not hard to find the stats. This is for 2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in...
Muzzer79 said:
Who said anything about artificially increasing any demographic?
It’s about ensuring that everyone has the opportunity. If there were quotas, I’d be standing right next to you complaining.
Mercedes don’t have the stated aim to defund and abolish police, etc.
It’s spelled ‘lunacy’
1. Toto said "to show our commitment to greater diversity within our team and our sport" = not recruiting on merit but on quota.It’s about ensuring that everyone has the opportunity. If there were quotas, I’d be standing right next to you complaining.
Mercedes don’t have the stated aim to defund and abolish police, etc.
It’s spelled ‘lunacy’
2. If you are qualified you have opportunity.
3. Mercedes have painted their cars black to appease Lewis, who supports BLM, whose aim is to abolish police.
4 I no how to spell, thanks.
thiscocks said:
otolith said:
thiscocks said:
..but are responsible for 50% of the murders... Facts are racist
And your theory for why that is would be?Who said it was a theory, it's been a fact for years. Not hard to find the stats. This is for 2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in...
I repeat my question - your theory for why that is would be?
Bo_apex said:
IforB said:
Bo_apex said:
thiscocks said:
Well then I'd question what on earth has black crime in America got to do with Formula 1? Regarding the supposed racism in Formula one in not hiring enough minorities, that is another unquantifiable narrative influenced by the general BLM attitudes. As far as I am aware, if you are black or from an ethnic minority then the colour of your skin won't hinder you one bit. In this day and age it will most likely help you. (see previous posts about most companies wanting more 'diverse' work forces).
All Mercedes are doing is pandering to Hamilton's awfully boresome bandwagon jumping and to this pointless woke agenda in a pathetically shallow way. It's helping no one.
Makes you wonder if Hamilton or Mercedes have even looked at the data ?All Mercedes are doing is pandering to Hamilton's awfully boresome bandwagon jumping and to this pointless woke agenda in a pathetically shallow way. It's helping no one.
No mention of the white victims killed by Police.
Afterall, Hamilton is half white.
The BBC for instance reached 15% of its employees from BAME a couple of years ago and is on target to achieve 20% soon.
It has also deployed numerous initiatives where only BAME candidates can apply.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/670266/BBC-adver...
Britain has come a long way from just Trevor McDonald and Lenny Henry.
Other countries would do well to look and learn.
Nampahc Niloc said:
I’m out. This thread is not good for my mental health. I’ve made argument you can’t convince everyone. All I ask is that people really question there own beliefs and try and ask “why” they think that.
Tbh, you just have to laugh at the anti anti-racism position. Well done Mercedes for challenging entrenched positions and giving the opportunity to show how weak the opposing views really are.Looking forward to Formula One this week and watching the black Mercedes. Hope it does annoy too many people and ruin their enjoyment.
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