Official 2024 Monaco Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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TheDeuce said:
Both Haas DQ'd - unsurprisingly.
It's always amateur hour at Haas: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/haas-dr...
I hope Bearman understands what he’s getting in to. It's always amateur hour at Haas: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/haas-dr...
Leithen said:
TheDeuce said:
Both Haas DQ'd - unsurprisingly.
It's always amateur hour at Haas: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/haas-dr...
I hope Bearman understands what he’s getting in to. It's always amateur hour at Haas: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/haas-dr...
asfault said:
Leithen said:
TheDeuce said:
Both Haas DQ'd - unsurprisingly.
It's always amateur hour at Haas: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/haas-dr...
I hope Bearman understands what he’s getting in to. It's always amateur hour at Haas: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/haas-dr...
But he's not actually setting the racing world on fire, he was 6th last year in F2 - good, but not amazing.
He'll probably take to F1 and grow and be around a number of years, but he's not imo some future superstar based on his record to date - he should be and I'm sure is very happy to take the Haas drive and focus on beating his team mate - in that context it doesn't matter if the car is a Haas or a Ferrari.
williamp said:
Did Max get a penalty?
Nope, merely a warning. https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-d...
No-one ended up with a penalty today, apart from Haas who messed up a new wing design and got both cars kicked out of qualifying to start from the back tomorrow. Their old wing design had the widest point in the middle, but the new wing design had the widest point at the sides - except no-one told the mechanics that, so they set it up and measured the gap in the middle as they always did.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-d...
rdjohn said:
FrankieBee said:
I’m sticking my neck out here…Piastri for pole.
Not quite, but it is the second race, with the updates, where he has shown Lando who is the Daddy!Lando will have Grace’s vote for driver of the day, but i still think that it is Oscar has who has Bruce’s and Chris’s DNA.
FrankieBee said:
rdjohn said:
FrankieBee said:
I’m sticking my neck out here…Piastri for pole.
Not quite, but it is the second race, with the updates, where he has shown Lando who is the Daddy!Lando will have Grace’s vote for driver of the day, but i still think that it is Oscar has who has Bruce’s and Chris’s DNA.
TheDeuce said:
Blib said:
Lewis' interview was interesting. He's beginning to kick off.
'I'm suddenly two tenths slower in quali. I'm not sure why'.
'I don't expect to outqualify George again this season'.
It's may very well going get toxic.
Isn't this just run of the mill outgoing driver stuff? Merc are famously a very fair team when it comes to driver treatment, but when one driver is departing, it's only logical to back the other where possible, in terms of strategy and updates etc.'I'm suddenly two tenths slower in quali. I'm not sure why'.
'I don't expect to outqualify George again this season'.
It's may very well going get toxic.
I don't imagine it's a shock to Lewis and I don't imagine he's going to kick off. He can't discuss the details of why he's slightly back-footed but he has to say something - so he said 'something' and those listening can fill in the (fairly obvious) blanks.
You can't announce you're leaving a team and expect equal treatment, it's a pretty basic principle.
Derek Smith said:
TheDeuce said:
Blib said:
Lewis' interview was interesting. He's beginning to kick off.
'I'm suddenly two tenths slower in quali. I'm not sure why'.
'I don't expect to outqualify George again this season'.
It's may very well going get toxic.
Isn't this just run of the mill outgoing driver stuff? Merc are famously a very fair team when it comes to driver treatment, but when one driver is departing, it's only logical to back the other where possible, in terms of strategy and updates etc.'I'm suddenly two tenths slower in quali. I'm not sure why'.
'I don't expect to outqualify George again this season'.
It's may very well going get toxic.
I don't imagine it's a shock to Lewis and I don't imagine he's going to kick off. He can't discuss the details of why he's slightly back-footed but he has to say something - so he said 'something' and those listening can fill in the (fairly obvious) blanks.
You can't announce you're leaving a team and expect equal treatment, it's a pretty basic principle.
But irrespective of it being Merc or any other team - Lewis is departing, it's F1 basic 101 that he's not going to get priority on anything this season.
The only LH story of interest is Ferrari 2026 onwards. All we have now is a period where he can't win races and have no idea if he's still 'got it' or has gone off the boil. I suspect the former, but hands up... I have no way of knowing if I'm right!
TheDeuce said:
Derek Smith said:
TheDeuce said:
Blib said:
Lewis' interview was interesting. He's beginning to kick off.
'I'm suddenly two tenths slower in quali. I'm not sure why'.
'I don't expect to outqualify George again this season'.
It's may very well going get toxic.
Isn't this just run of the mill outgoing driver stuff? Merc are famously a very fair team when it comes to driver treatment, but when one driver is departing, it's only logical to back the other where possible, in terms of strategy and updates etc.'I'm suddenly two tenths slower in quali. I'm not sure why'.
'I don't expect to outqualify George again this season'.
It's may very well going get toxic.
I don't imagine it's a shock to Lewis and I don't imagine he's going to kick off. He can't discuss the details of why he's slightly back-footed but he has to say something - so he said 'something' and those listening can fill in the (fairly obvious) blanks.
You can't announce you're leaving a team and expect equal treatment, it's a pretty basic principle.
But irrespective of it being Merc or any other team - Lewis is departing, it's F1 basic 101 that he's not going to get priority on anything this season.
The only LH story of interest is Ferrari 2026 onwards. All we have now is a period where he can't win races and have no idea if he's still 'got it' or has gone off the boil. I suspect the former, but hands up... I have no way of knowing if I'm right!
I wouldn't be surprised if Lewis pushed for the crew swap. This was the era when Lewis constantly questioned tyre strategy and was always overruled by the team cf. post-Rosberg Lewis has been commanding tyre strategy.
entropy said:
Mike Elliot was on the Missed Apex podcast not long ago discussing Ham vs. Ros. He confirmed rumours of Lewis using Nico's set ups. There's no doubt Lewis was rattled by Nico in 2016 because he made a few errors pushing too hard in quali rather than just pinning the blame on reliability.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lewis pushed for the crew swap. This was the era when Lewis constantly questioned tyre strategy and was always overruled by the team cf. post-Rosberg Lewis has been commanding tyre strategy.
I think Lewis was very unhappy about the crew swap unless I’m misremembering. I wouldn't be surprised if Lewis pushed for the crew swap. This was the era when Lewis constantly questioned tyre strategy and was always overruled by the team cf. post-Rosberg Lewis has been commanding tyre strategy.
Milkyway said:
Hass's disqualified.... Checo sighs with relief, 
I think the powers that be at RBR might just see past a teams double driver DQ in terms of how crap he was today Edited by Milkyway on Saturday 25th May 23:25
It's hardly a result 'on merit'..
I actually really like and rate checo though. There's an odd RBR effect going on that seems to destroy drivers. Maybe something that's got worse very recently with whatever is going on politically in the team.
I recall initially checo was a very solid no2, and now it's as if he's in a different car.
Apologies if already discussed earlier, I haven’t read the full thread - what, if anything, should we read into Max’s comments over the radio about knowing where he could find time on the lap… but can’t?
I wondered if they perhaps are no longer able to use something that had been on their car previously?
I wondered if they perhaps are no longer able to use something that had been on their car previously?
oobster said:
Apologies if already discussed earlier, I haven’t read the full thread - what, if anything, should we read into Max’s comments over the radio about knowing where he could find time on the lap… but can’t?
I wondered if they perhaps are no longer able to use something that had been on their car previously?
If there was such a thing and it was no longer on the car, I doubt he'd refer to it during a live session...I wondered if they perhaps are no longer able to use something that had been on their car previously?
He may simply have been talking about a line that he knew was faster but was fiercely advised against taking because of risk - or 100 other things that were for one reason or another not useful in his weekends campaign here.
TBF to Perez, he was only three tenths slower than Max in Q1. It was just an incredibly tight field today, and this is what happens when you no longer have a car that's a second faster than everyone else. Even Max was struggling with the car here.
It is thought that RBR's usual performance advantage mostly comes from an ability to run lower to the ground without porpoising, but when they get to a bumpy track like this, or Singapore last year, they have to raise the car which makes it slower and more difficult to drive, whereas other teams have to run higher anyway to avoid porpoising so are less affected by bumpy tracks.
Max said after qualifying that they have always struggled over bumps and curbs with these ground effect cars, but have had enough performance advantage in other areas that it wasn't a problem. Last year their performance advantage was so great that this problem was masked most of the time, but now that other teams are getting closer we could see RBR on the back foot more often.
It is thought that RBR's usual performance advantage mostly comes from an ability to run lower to the ground without porpoising, but when they get to a bumpy track like this, or Singapore last year, they have to raise the car which makes it slower and more difficult to drive, whereas other teams have to run higher anyway to avoid porpoising so are less affected by bumpy tracks.
Max said after qualifying that they have always struggled over bumps and curbs with these ground effect cars, but have had enough performance advantage in other areas that it wasn't a problem. Last year their performance advantage was so great that this problem was masked most of the time, but now that other teams are getting closer we could see RBR on the back foot more often.
oobster said:
Apologies if already discussed earlier, I haven’t read the full thread - what, if anything, should we read into Max’s comments over the radio about knowing where he could find time on the lap… but can’t?
I wondered if they perhaps are no longer able to use something that had been on their car previously?
He can’t take enough kerb to be faster because it unsettles his car too much I wondered if they perhaps are no longer able to use something that had been on their car previously?
TheDeuce said:
I think the powers that be at RBR might just see past a teams double driver DQ in terms of how crap he was today
It's hardly a result 'on merit'..
I actually really like and rate checo though. There's an odd RBR effect going on that seems to destroy drivers. Maybe something that's got worse very recently with whatever is going on politically in the team.
I recall initially checo was a very solid no2, and now it's as if he's in a different car.
IIRC McLaren hired Perez almost on a whim, after a couple of decent races. They quickly realised they'd bought a dud and let him go. All drivers have their time, and at some point start to slow down. Perez has been very lucky to stay in F1 for the last couple of seasons. I'd be surprised if he finishes this one.It's hardly a result 'on merit'..
I actually really like and rate checo though. There's an odd RBR effect going on that seems to destroy drivers. Maybe something that's got worse very recently with whatever is going on politically in the team.
I recall initially checo was a very solid no2, and now it's as if he's in a different car.
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