The Official F1 2021 silly season *contains speculation*
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Jamie needs to make f2 next year, but that’s don’t expect her to, she’s the best of the current w series drivers but it’s a shallow pool.
In f2 she will be mid pack and I wouldn’t expect that to improve with a second season.
W series prize should be a funded f2 drive though as it has to give progression
In f2 she will be mid pack and I wouldn’t expect that to improve with a second season.
W series prize should be a funded f2 drive though as it has to give progression
andburg said:
Jamie needs to make f2 next year, but that’s don’t expect her to, she’s the best of the current w series drivers but it’s a shallow pool.
In f2 she will be mid pack and I wouldn’t expect that to improve with a second season.
W series prize should be a funded f2 drive though as it has to give progression
That's my thinking - if she goes down the F2 route, she's likely to be exposed as not actually that great... which is fair enough and as it should be.In f2 she will be mid pack and I wouldn’t expect that to improve with a second season.
W series prize should be a funded f2 drive though as it has to give progression
I also totally agree the FW prize should fund progression in some way, otherwise we could spend years finding a fast female driver but them be unable to progress. Also, in Jamie's case, we could be surprised in she makes it to F2 and does particularly well. Needs to get there first though.
I think F2 is too big a leap from a regional F3 (sorry, not allowed to call it that any more!) car.
An FIA F3 car is a good 380hp, with DRS - a Tatuus F3 car is only about 280, no DRS.
The F2 car is 600+ hp.
I would say the same for any driver, by the way. It's worked for Norris and Russell.
An FIA F3 car is a good 380hp, with DRS - a Tatuus F3 car is only about 280, no DRS.
The F2 car is 600+ hp.
I would say the same for any driver, by the way. It's worked for Norris and Russell.
JonChalk said:
I think F2 is too big a leap from a regional F3 (sorry, not allowed to call it that any more!) car.
An FIA F3 car is a good 380hp, with DRS - a Tatuus F3 car is only about 280, no DRS.
The F2 car is 600+ hp.
I would say the same for any driver, by the way. It's worked for Norris and Russell.
The FW car isn't even as fast as an F3 car either...An FIA F3 car is a good 380hp, with DRS - a Tatuus F3 car is only about 280, no DRS.
The F2 car is 600+ hp.
I would say the same for any driver, by the way. It's worked for Norris and Russell.
Huge jump.
Also think she needs to move on from W Series. Great performances but she needs to prove she can hold her own in faster cars if F1 is a goal. She did Asian F3 in 2020 and despite a slow start her last 6 races were good with three podiums so her speed is there so I reckon FIA F3 is a good bet. F2 is a big jump.
TheDeuce said:
Actually... can she simply compete in FW again next year? That would be the required 15 points if she wins it again, as she has done twice already. That might be her best bet?
Based on the interview with Lee Mckenzie at the start of the C4 F1 race highlights package Sunday night / Monday morning, when they were discussing what options she had for next year, it was mentioned that if she elected to return to W Series to defend her title again, then she would have to surrender the licence points that formed part of the winners prize this season, to prevent the scenario above. Seems a sensible approach as essentially the encouragement is - take the prize money & licence points and step up to another feeder series, but if you want to return then you have to re-earn the licence points. She also said that it was too early to make a decision on what options would / wouldn't be open / available next year and that she'd consider what would be best with her team and that all avenues including the various F3, F2 feeder formulas would be part of the decision making process.
AlexRS2782 said:
Based on the interview with Lee Mckenzie at the start of the C4 F1 race highlights package Sunday night / Monday morning, when they were discussing what options she had for next year, it was mentioned that if she elected to return to W Series to defend her title again, then she would have to surrender the licence points that formed part of the winners prize this season, to prevent the scenario above.
Seems a sensible approach as essentially the encouragement is - take the prize money & licence points and step up to another feeder series, but if you want to return then you have to re-earn the licence points. She also said that it was too early to make a decision on what options would / wouldn't be open / available next year and that she'd consider what would be best with her team and that all avenues including the various F3, F2 feeder formulas would be part of the decision making process.
Didn’t know that about forfeiting the super licence points, but its a good idea as they need to get the winners from WS to move up. Jamie, Alice Powell and Emma Kimilainen should really all be looking at getting FIA F3 drives for next season, off the back of their performances in WS. They need to spend the next couple of months talking to sponsors, hell there are probably quite a few sponsors in Austin at the moment, which is why getting WS on the F1 support bill was so important. Seems a sensible approach as essentially the encouragement is - take the prize money & licence points and step up to another feeder series, but if you want to return then you have to re-earn the licence points. She also said that it was too early to make a decision on what options would / wouldn't be open / available next year and that she'd consider what would be best with her team and that all avenues including the various F3, F2 feeder formulas would be part of the decision making process.
The idea is that it’s supposed to be profile-raising free racing, not that it’s the women’s world championship, we don’t want to see the same three drivers fighting for the next few years - although one fresh-faced teenager is clearly going to be very competitive next year, well done and good luck Abbi Pulling.
Fundoreen said:
TheRace says andretti/sauber deal off.
They still seem to think Gio is leaving though. Seems wrong as he will keep Bottas honest. VB could say the car is s
te and coast along next to a newbie
So they would be crazy to do that.
Cedric Vasseur has a major hard on for Theo Pourchaire and wants him in the team for 2023. This is, I suspect, the main stumbling block with Zhou and his entourage who have been asking for a three year deal, but paying handsomely for that, possibly in the region of €15m a season. Sauber want a one year deal.They still seem to think Gio is leaving though. Seems wrong as he will keep Bottas honest. VB could say the car is s
te and coast along next to a newbie So they would be crazy to do that.
Top f3 seat 750/900k +
Top f2 seat 2mill +
If you can get the funds together and do the biz, fair play.. then you get an ART/DAMS/Prema/Carlin drive..
Think back a couple of years, even with the funds together, Lando got a veto on the Prema drive in F2, from a large shareholder in the team (Lawrence Strulovitch). Ended up with a decent drive with Carlin, that turned into a decent drive with McLaren.
Lando came close to winning F2 in an inferior car..
(Btw George Russell had a similar veto and had the ART drive). If either had the Prema drive they would have smashed the championship sideways.
Top f2 seat 2mill +
If you can get the funds together and do the biz, fair play.. then you get an ART/DAMS/Prema/Carlin drive..
Think back a couple of years, even with the funds together, Lando got a veto on the Prema drive in F2, from a large shareholder in the team (Lawrence Strulovitch). Ended up with a decent drive with Carlin, that turned into a decent drive with McLaren.
Lando came close to winning F2 in an inferior car..
(Btw George Russell had a similar veto and had the ART drive). If either had the Prema drive they would have smashed the championship sideways.
MissChief said:
Cedric Vasseur has a major hard on for Theo Pourchaire and wants him in the team for 2023. This is, I suspect, the main stumbling block with Zhou and his entourage who have been asking for a three year deal, but paying handsomely for that, possibly in the region of €15m a season. Sauber want a one year deal.
Three years is a long time especially if the team is for sale, I'd imagine the last thing a new team owner would want is an unproven youngster on a long contract, yes I do appreciate contracts can be broken but it is an added hassle.vaud said:
Theo Pourchaire does look like the real deal though.
Yep, he's going to be the next big news F1 rookie I reckon.And it's always nice to see a fair few on these boards watching the support series too - it adds so much depth to the sport to follow the drivers on their tough journey to F1. I'm not sure why but I get the impression more people on here are watching F2+3 now.
TheDeuce said:
Yep, he's going to be the next big news F1 rookie I reckon.
And it's always nice to see a fair few on these boards watching the support series too - it adds so much depth to the sport to follow the drivers on their tough journey to F1. I'm not sure why but I get the impression more people on here are watching F2+3 now.
I watch more F2 when I get a chance. Some good racing.And it's always nice to see a fair few on these boards watching the support series too - it adds so much depth to the sport to follow the drivers on their tough journey to F1. I'm not sure why but I get the impression more people on here are watching F2+3 now.
I like to watch the F2 and F3 too, the challenge is on a race weekend trying not to get thumped, sitting on the sofa watching hours and hours of racing!
It's always fascinating to see the next crop of F1 drivers. I still feel sorry for Callum Illot who had some lousy luck last year and missed out on F1. Doubt he'll get another shot at it.
Watching the F2 in particular does highlight how few seats there are in F1.
It's always fascinating to see the next crop of F1 drivers. I still feel sorry for Callum Illot who had some lousy luck last year and missed out on F1. Doubt he'll get another shot at it.
Watching the F2 in particular does highlight how few seats there are in F1.
Flooble said:
I like to watch the F2 and F3 too, the challenge is on a race weekend trying not to get thumped, sitting on the sofa watching hours and hours of racing!
It's always fascinating to see the next crop of F1 drivers. I still feel sorry for Callum Illot who had some lousy luck last year and missed out on F1. Doubt he'll get another shot at it.
Watching the F2 in particular does highlight how few seats there are in F1.
That is the downside of watching them progress through F3 then F2, it's a kick in the balls when their story suddenly ends. Especially if some chump like Mazepin buys one of the few seats available It's always fascinating to see the next crop of F1 drivers. I still feel sorry for Callum Illot who had some lousy luck last year and missed out on F1. Doubt he'll get another shot at it.
Watching the F2 in particular does highlight how few seats there are in F1.
Economics of F1 I know... and despite the odd seat being bought, the absolute very best in F2 do find their way through to F1 fairly reliably.
Also a shout out to the F3 grid this season, who have raced in some truly difficult conditions yet have managed to race cleanly and without incident for the most part. I think we have some very mature, young drivers headed up the ranks.
After watching the c4 f1 show devote quite a large chunk of its runtime to her on sunday I think she will stay in W series.
TV exposure and part of the F1 show rather than some obscure competetive series that isn't even televised.
Its not exactly a busy schedule so she can do some other races as well.
TV exposure and part of the F1 show rather than some obscure competetive series that isn't even televised.
Its not exactly a busy schedule so she can do some other races as well.
Fundoreen said:
After watching the c4 f1 show devote quite a large chunk of its runtime to her on sunday I think she will stay in W series.
TV exposure and part of the F1 show rather than some obscure competetive series that isn't even televised.
Its not exactly a busy schedule so she can do some other races as well.
Which is exactly why she needs to get herself into FIA F3 or F2 - televised series that support the F1 programme. TV exposure and part of the F1 show rather than some obscure competetive series that isn't even televised.
Its not exactly a busy schedule so she can do some other races as well.
WS is not a women’s world championship, it’s supposed to be a way of getting free seat time and exposure to help these women move up the ladder - as well as hopefully inspiring more girls to head to their local kart track, so that a decade from now we have a stronger field of young women in motorsport.
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