Black Mercedes.
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Fruitbat56 said:
df76 said:
I’m taking it that you read the bit where they confirmed that the ethnic status of the applicants was included on the CVs?
Delete the question about ethnic origin and the problem would be solved.Black Mercedes looks great on track! Comm team just saying the same thing.
Horace Van Khute said:
crankedup said:
Can’t recall seeing a black person, not one, in the F1 pit crew, maybe this season will see a racially more balanced crew?
I'm not sure why you singled out black people as missing from diversity, I mostly see whites, so Asian / ME and so on are also not in the mix. Don't be a racist homie.Now, any logical person would ask this question - is it because F1 teams are purposely blocking non whites from being part of F1?
crankedup said:
Horace Van Khute said:
crankedup said:
Can’t recall seeing a black person, not one, in the F1 pit crew, maybe this season will see a racially more balanced crew?
I'm not sure why you singled out black people as missing from diversity, I mostly see whites, so Asian / ME and so on are also not in the mix. Don't be a racist homie.Now, any logical person would ask this question - is it because F1 teams are purposely blocking non whites from being part of F1?
Part of that includes investigating why BAME and women are under-represented - if it turns out it's a problem with their recruiting process, then they'll change it, but if they determine that those groups simply don't want to work in F1, then it doesn't mean they'll hire them for the sake of diversity.
rscott said:
I guess you didn't bother reading Mercedes statement about why they're doing it? They don't want token BAME representation, but want to ensure they hire the very best talent available from the widest possible pool.
Part of that includes investigating why BAME and women are under-represented - if it turns out it's a problem with their recruiting process, then they'll change it, but if they determine that those groups simply don't want to work in F1, then it doesn't mean they'll hire them for the sake of diversity.
Now this is something everyone should stand behind.Part of that includes investigating why BAME and women are under-represented - if it turns out it's a problem with their recruiting process, then they'll change it, but if they determine that those groups simply don't want to work in F1, then it doesn't mean they'll hire them for the sake of diversity.
But judging by how things are going, I'm not sure if this is really what things are about.
rscott said:
sparta6 said:
The simple point that Hamilton is highly selective when soap boxing about injustices. No mention of the attrocities of 80 years ago on his paymasters doorstep, and that anti-semitism still hangs today, even at political level.
BTW going on a protest march for equality, with your nanny and bodyguard in tow, doesn't quite cut it
We have opposing views on his conduct away from the track. I accept that
Why should he comment on Daimler's past history, given that Daimler have already accepted it, apologised and made reparations.BTW going on a protest march for equality, with your nanny and bodyguard in tow, doesn't quite cut it
We have opposing views on his conduct away from the track. I accept that
Numerous institutions have also since apologised for slavery.
As mixed race you'd think Lewis would comment for the injustices of all races.
sparta6 said:
rscott said:
sparta6 said:
The simple point that Hamilton is highly selective when soap boxing about injustices. No mention of the attrocities of 80 years ago on his paymasters doorstep, and that anti-semitism still hangs today, even at political level.
BTW going on a protest march for equality, with your nanny and bodyguard in tow, doesn't quite cut it
We have opposing views on his conduct away from the track. I accept that
Why should he comment on Daimler's past history, given that Daimler have already accepted it, apologised and made reparations.BTW going on a protest march for equality, with your nanny and bodyguard in tow, doesn't quite cut it
We have opposing views on his conduct away from the track. I accept that
Numerous institutions have also since apologised for slavery.
As mixed race you'd think Lewis would comment for the injustices of all races.
He's been directly affected by racism based on his black heritage (Spanish monkey fans is the most well known one), so he's commenting on that - seems reasonable.
Although i'm not sure why I'm bothering trying to convince you - no matter what he does, you wouldn't find it possible to praise him.
crankedup said:
Can’t recall seeing a black person, not one, in the F1 pit crew, maybe this season will see a racially more balanced crew? Is Lewis still brandishing his ‘keep fighting Michael’ ? What’s popular and trending, jump on bandwagon.
There was a black mechanic at Marussia a few years ago but I don't really recall many, if any, others.But then again there aren't many black people in any forms of motorsport - sportscars, GTs, bikes etc - despite Hamilton being at the top for well over ten years now. I guess it just depends what flicks your switch.
I think it's just a question of numbers. If you look at the racial (and gender for that matter) composition of mechanical engineering, materials engineering, fluid dynamics, etc. degrees at top-flight universities you'll find a similar thing - if blacks/women/whatever aren't studying engineering, the best will in the world from the engineering companies isn't going to result in many of them in top jobs unless they discriminate the other way, which would be both illegal and counter productive.
The best thing companies like Mercedes can for diversity do is encourage minority groups (and indeed majority groups in the case of women) to study engineering.
Obviously voicing support for anti-discriminatory movements and encouraging internal diversity aren't quite the same thing, but they're clearly related.
The best thing companies like Mercedes can for diversity do is encourage minority groups (and indeed majority groups in the case of women) to study engineering.
Obviously voicing support for anti-discriminatory movements and encouraging internal diversity aren't quite the same thing, but they're clearly related.
Edited by kambites on Friday 3rd July 11:55
IforB said:
Bo_apex said:
IforB said:
Bo_apex said:
thiscocks said:
Well then I'd question what on earth has black crime in America got to do with Formula 1? Regarding the supposed racism in Formula one in not hiring enough minorities, that is another unquantifiable narrative influenced by the general BLM attitudes. As far as I am aware, if you are black or from an ethnic minority then the colour of your skin won't hinder you one bit. In this day and age it will most likely help you. (see previous posts about most companies wanting more 'diverse' work forces).
All Mercedes are doing is pandering to Hamilton's awfully boresome bandwagon jumping and to this pointless woke agenda in a pathetically shallow way. It's helping no one.
Makes you wonder if Hamilton or Mercedes have even looked at the data ?All Mercedes are doing is pandering to Hamilton's awfully boresome bandwagon jumping and to this pointless woke agenda in a pathetically shallow way. It's helping no one.
No mention of the white victims killed by Police.
Afterall, Hamilton is half white.
The BBC for instance reached 15% of its employees from BAME a couple of years ago and is on target to achieve 20% soon.
It has also deployed numerous initiatives where only BAME candidates can apply.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/670266/BBC-adver...
Britain has come a long way from just Trevor McDonald and Lenny Henry.
Other countries would do well to look and learn.
But the EOL in UK forms part of the legal framework across public and private sectors. The market is open to all, and the remainder is down to the individual's motivations and skills.
We only need to look at the Government Cabinet to see a healthy mix.
Lots of other countries I've lived and worked in are centuries behind Britain.
kambites said:
The best thing companies like Mercedes can for diversity do is encourage minority groups (and indeed majority groups in the case of women) to study engineering.
Enticement ? But why ?Edited by kambites on Friday 3rd July 11:55
The best talent in any field posess a burning desire for their chosen career. They seek out their target employer and will not stop until they are through the door.
Asked to work an extra hour, unpaid, to meet that urgent deadline ? Passion gets you there.
Every, single, time.
kambites said:
There's certainly places vastly worse than the UK, but that's not a reason to stop striving to improve. Instead large sections of UK society seem to be going in the wrong direction.
Teenagers stabbing each other ?Root cause is low self-esteem holding back their potential. This is common across all races. Poor parenting and/or absence of parenting. The parents made poor choices regarding their own lives, impacting directly on their children.
It's tragic.
Bo_apex said:
Enticement ? But why ?
The best talent in any field posess a burning desire for their chosen career. .
That's exactly what I mean - they need try to give people with the natural tallent to work in engineering, the burning desire to do so. What people enjoy is very much driven by what society has conditioned them to enjoy, and that in turn is heavily effected from an early age by things like gender and race. The best talent in any field posess a burning desire for their chosen career. .
It's not going to happen overnight, it'll take generations. But the more we strive to make it happen, the fewer generations it will be.
kambites said:
Bo_apex said:
Enticement ? But why ?
The best talent in any field posess a burning desire for their chosen career. .
That's exactly what I mean - they need try to give people with the natural tallent to work in engineering, the burning desire to do so. What people enjoy is very much driven by what society has conditioned them to enjoy, and that in turn is heavily effected from an early age by things like gender and race. The best talent in any field posess a burning desire for their chosen career. .
It's not going to happen overnight, it'll take generations. But the more we strive to make it happen, the fewer generations it will be.
And you often find that talent is intertwined with a burning desire.
But, you cannot teach anyone the latter.
Bo_apex said:
But, you cannot teach anyone the latter.
That's where I disagree with you. You (generally) cannot teach it to adults. However I can't believe there's an inherent genetic tendency for people of African origin to be less interested in engineering than people of white European origin. It's all taught, not consciously but through the effects of differing social conditioning in different parts of society. That's why it's going to take generations to fix; these are things children start to learn before they can even speak.
Edited by kambites on Friday 3rd July 12:37
kambites said:
Bo_apex said:
But, you cannot teach anyone the latter.
That's where I disagree with you. You (generally) cannot teach it to adults. However I can't believe there's an inherent genetic tendency for people of African origin to be less interested in engineering than people of white European origin. It's all taught, not consciously but through the effects of differing social conditioning in different parts of society. That's why it's going to take generations to fix; these are things children start to learn before they can even speak.
Edited by kambites on Friday 3rd July 12:37
A burning desire comes from within.
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