Michael Masi should be replaced

[MarkwG]

craigjm said:

mattikake said:

Johansson for race director please. He has it spot on.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/michael-masi-critici...

Total rubbish. Johansson offered what he would have done if he had been sat in the hot seat? Hmm right, that’s about as accurate as any of the other armchair race directors on this thread. He may be spouting the rules and going by the book but none of that matters…..

If he was really sitting in the hot seat and liberty is in your ear going “ignore the book make it a show or else” then you make it a show. When you are not the ultimate boss you do as you’re told and if you’re not in the position it’s easy to say “I would have done this”.

Were Liberty really "in his ear"? The team principals were, certainly, but I've not seen or heard anything that says any Liberty officials were lobbying during the race. Besides which, it's the Race Directors job to ignore that kind of pressure, not succumb to it. He's supposed to be ensuring safety & rule compliance, after all... He's employed by the FIA, not Liberty.

[craigjm]

MarkwG said:

craigjm said:

mattikake said:

Johansson for race director please. He has it spot on.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/michael-masi-critici...

Total rubbish. Johansson offered what he would have done if he had been sat in the hot seat? Hmm right, that’s about as accurate as any of the other armchair race directors on this thread. He may be spouting the rules and going by the book but none of that matters…..

If he was really sitting in the hot seat and liberty is in your ear going “ignore the book make it a show or else” then you make it a show. When you are not the ultimate boss you do as you’re told and if you’re not in the position it’s easy to say “I would have done this”.

Were Liberty really "in his ear"? The team principals were, certainly, but I've not seen or heard anything that says any Liberty officials were lobbying during the race. Besides which, it's the Race Directors job to ignore that kind of pressure, not succumb to it. He's supposed to be ensuring safety & rule compliance, after all... He's employed by the FIA, not Liberty.

We will never know will we. That’s the whole point. Saying I would do this, I would do that, without full information is guessing and nothing more no matter how “qualified” one is

[vdn]

mattikake said:

Johansson for race director please. He has it spot on.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/michael-masi-critici...

Bingo. Someone actually calling it as it is!

[MarkwG]

craigjm said:

MarkwG said:

craigjm said:

mattikake said:

Johansson for race director please. He has it spot on.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/michael-masi-critici...

Total rubbish. Johansson offered what he would have done if he had been sat in the hot seat? Hmm right, that’s about as accurate as any of the other armchair race directors on this thread. He may be spouting the rules and going by the book but none of that matters…..

If he was really sitting in the hot seat and liberty is in your ear going “ignore the book make it a show or else” then you make it a show. When you are not the ultimate boss you do as you’re told and if you’re not in the position it’s easy to say “I would have done this”.

Were Liberty really "in his ear"? The team principals were, certainly, but I've not seen or heard anything that says any Liberty officials were lobbying during the race. Besides which, it's the Race Directors job to ignore that kind of pressure, not succumb to it. He's supposed to be ensuring safety & rule compliance, after all... He's employed by the FIA, not Liberty.

We will never know will we. That’s the whole point. Saying I would do this, I would do that, without full information is guessing and nothing more no matter how “qualified” one is

He didn't say "I would do this...etc" - he made the point that what Masi did made no sense at all. The man who's job is to know & apply the rules did the exact opposite. It doesn't matter if Kylie Minogue was whispering sweet nothings in his ear, he's paid to ignore it & do the job.

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MarkwG said:

He didn't say "I would do this...etc" - he made the point that what Masi did made no sense at all. The man who's job is to know & apply the rules did the exact opposite. It doesn't matter if Kylie Minogue was whispering sweet nothings in his ear, he's paid to ignore it & do the job.

You have rules and procedures specifically so you don't feel under pressure when you have to act quickly, especially so when safety is at stake.

In my old life, i used to write, test and implement disaster recovery procedures for multi million £ high street retailers IT systems. Everything was documented and tested thoroughly, so that if the st did hit the fan, the company wouldn't go bust and they would be back up and running quickly. One customer had a helicopter available to pick me up and take me to the DR site, if the main site was hit by a plane or bomb.

In my current role, i have a checklist and engineers sheet to make sure a racecar isn't released onto a circuit until it's ready and all safety and running settings and procedures are implemented. If you don't do that, someone can die at worst, have a crap race at best.

Masi should be testing and gaming his procedures regularly, so it's an automatic process, especially for safety issues and safety car use, precisely so he doesn't make a mistake. I don't believe for one second he didn't know what he was doing in that last race. If I'm wrong, he is even more unfit for the role than i thought. What he has to manage is simple if you follow the rules.

[PhilAsia]

jsf said:

MarkwG said:

He didn't say "I would do this...etc" - he made the point that what Masi did made no sense at all. The man who's job is to know & apply the rules did the exact opposite. It doesn't matter if Kylie Minogue was whispering sweet nothings in his ear, he's paid to ignore it & do the job.

You have rules and procedures specifically so you don't feel under pressure when you have to act quickly, especially so when safety is at stake.

In my old life, i used to write, test and implement disaster recovery procedures for multi million £ high street retailers IT systems. Everything was documented and tested thoroughly, so that if the st did hit the fan, the company wouldn't go bust and they would be back up and running quickly. One customer had a helicopter available to pick me up and take me to the DR site, if the main site was hit by a plane or bomb.

In my current role, i have a checklist and engineers sheet to make sure a racecar isn't released onto a circuit until it's ready and all safety and running settings and procedures are implemented. If you don't do that, someone can die at worst, have a crap race at best.

Masi should be testing and gaming his procedures regularly, so it's an automatic process, especially for safety issues and safety car use, precisely so he doesn't make a mistake. I don't believe for one second he didn't know what he was doing in that last race. If I'm wrong, he is even more unfit for the role than i thought. What he has to manage is simple if you follow the rules.

This.

Even Trigger kept his broom working...

[MarkwG]

jsf said:

MarkwG said:

He didn't say "I would do this...etc" - he made the point that what Masi did made no sense at all. The man who's job is to know & apply the rules did the exact opposite. It doesn't matter if Kylie Minogue was whispering sweet nothings in his ear, he's paid to ignore it & do the job.

You have rules and procedures specifically so you don't feel under pressure when you have to act quickly, especially so when safety is at stake.

In my old life, i used to write, test and implement disaster recovery procedures for multi million £ high street retailers IT systems. Everything was documented and tested thoroughly, so that if the st did hit the fan, the company wouldn't go bust and they would be back up and running quickly. One customer had a helicopter available to pick me up and take me to the DR site, if the main site was hit by a plane or bomb.

In my current role, i have a checklist and engineers sheet to make sure a racecar isn't released onto a circuit until it's ready and all safety and running settings and procedures are implemented. If you don't do that, someone can die at worst, have a crap race at best.

Masi should be testing and gaming his procedures regularly, so it's an automatic process, especially for safety issues and safety car use, precisely so he doesn't make a mistake. I don't believe for one second he didn't know what he was doing in that last race. If I'm wrong, he is even more unfit for the role than i thought. What he has to manage is simple if you follow the rules.

Couldn't agree more - my pre retirement world was similar, in that we trained for situations that went beyond the usual, precisely so you would be able to act calmly & methodically, not like a rabbit in the headlights. The time for getting creative is when you're making the plan, not when you're in the thick of the action - practice prevents p!ss poor performance. The FIA seem to be woefully behind most of the teams in that regard.

[craigjm]

MarkwG said:

jsf said:

MarkwG said:

He didn't say "I would do this...etc" - he made the point that what Masi did made no sense at all. The man who's job is to know & apply the rules did the exact opposite. It doesn't matter if Kylie Minogue was whispering sweet nothings in his ear, he's paid to ignore it & do the job.

You have rules and procedures specifically so you don't feel under pressure when you have to act quickly, especially so when safety is at stake.

In my old life, i used to write, test and implement disaster recovery procedures for multi million £ high street retailers IT systems. Everything was documented and tested thoroughly, so that if the st did hit the fan, the company wouldn't go bust and they would be back up and running quickly. One customer had a helicopter available to pick me up and take me to the DR site, if the main site was hit by a plane or bomb.

In my current role, i have a checklist and engineers sheet to make sure a racecar isn't released onto a circuit until it's ready and all safety and running settings and procedures are implemented. If you don't do that, someone can die at worst, have a crap race at best.

Masi should be testing and gaming his procedures regularly, so it's an automatic process, especially for safety issues and safety car use, precisely so he doesn't make a mistake. I don't believe for one second he didn't know what he was doing in that last race. If I'm wrong, he is even more unfit for the role than i thought. What he has to manage is simple if you follow the rules.

Couldn't agree more - my pre retirement world was similar, in that we trained for situations that went beyond the usual, precisely so you would be able to act calmly & methodically, not like a rabbit in the headlights. The time for getting creative is when you're making the plan, not when you're in the thick of the action - practice prevents p!ss poor performance. The FIA seem to be woefully behind most of the teams in that regard.

But with all due respect neither of you were managing risk in a “sport” that is becoming more entertainment by the week. We simply don’t know what situation he has been put into and we all know that you can have rules and procedures up to your neck and it doesn’t mean they get used

[glazbagun]

craigjm said:

But with all due respect neither of you were managing risk in a “sport” that is becoming more entertainment by the week. We simply don’t know what situation he has been put into and we all know that you can have rules and procedures up to your neck and it doesn’t mean they get used

They were used in every relevant race previously with no problem.

[GCH]

jsf said:

I don't believe for one second he didn't know what he was doing in that last race. If I'm wrong, he is even more unfit for the role than i thought. What he has to manage is simple if you follow the rules.

This.
To borrow the DeNiro line from Casino, https://youtu.be/JcZHSGyos6g?t=60 "Listen, if you didn't know you were being scammed you're too fkin' dumb to keep this job, if you did know, you were in on it. Either way, YOU'RE OUT! "

[PhilAsia]

GCH said:

jsf said:

I don't believe for one second he didn't know what he was doing in that last race. If I'm wrong, he is even more unfit for the role than i thought. What he has to manage is simple if you follow the rules.

This.
To borrow the DeNiro line from Casino, https://youtu.be/JcZHSGyos6g?t=60 "Listen, if you didn't know you were being scammed you're too fkin' dumb to keep this job, if you did know, you were in on it. Either way, YOU'RE OUT! "

1. 2 has my vote

[MarkwG]

glazbagun said:

craigjm said:

But with all due respect neither of you were managing risk in a “sport” that is becoming more entertainment by the week. We simply don’t know what situation he has been put into and we all know that you can have rules and procedures up to your neck and it doesn’t mean they get used

They were used in every relevant race previously with no problem.

Indeed: the rules don't change to suit the pressure, that's exactly when things can go wrong. He'd used those procedures before, he'd even had to explain them before, & they hadn't changed since. It's not a matter of the sport becoming more entertainment, it's always been entertainment. It's about whether he was trying to stage manage that, rather than let it take it's natural course. I suspect he fell into the trap of believing he was part of the show, rather than directing the show, which is fraught with danger. I accept that he was probably overloaded, he didn't have either the background or the support that Charlie Whiting had, & that's a problem the FIA need to address.

[mattikake]

craigjm said:

mattikake said:

Johansson for race director please. He has it spot on.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/michael-masi-critici...

Total rubbish. Johansson offered what he would have done if he had been sat in the hot seat? Hmm right, that’s about as accurate as any of the other armchair race directors on this thread. He may be spouting the rules and going by the book but none of that matters…..

If he was really sitting in the hot seat and liberty is in your ear going “ignore the book make it a show or else” then you make it a show. When you are not the ultimate boss you do as you’re told and if you’re not in the position it’s easy to say “I would have done this”.

Johansson was talking rubbish? Liberty were not in his ear, the teams and time were... and his ass opened up. If masi wasn't the ultimate boss of race proceedings, he wouldn't have been able to make up the rules as exactly as he did.

What F1 clearly needs is a RD who doesn't give a stuff who he offends. Who follows the rules no matter what. Someone who is already financially secure and knows the sport... like an ex-F1 driver would be ideal. Someone like Niki Lauda would've been perfect.

Edited by mattikake on Tuesday 4th January 10:09

[MissChief]

mattikake said:

craigjm said:

mattikake said:

Johansson for race director please. He has it spot on.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/michael-masi-critici...

Total rubbish. Johansson offered what he would have done if he had been sat in the hot seat? Hmm right, that’s about as accurate as any of the other armchair race directors on this thread. He may be spouting the rules and going by the book but none of that matters…..

If he was really sitting in the hot seat and liberty is in your ear going “ignore the book make it a show or else” then you make it a show. When you are not the ultimate boss you do as you’re told and if you’re not in the position it’s easy to say “I would have done this”.

Johansson was talking rubbish? Liberty were not in his ear, the teams and time were... and his ass opened up. If masi wasn't the ultimate boss of race proceedings, he wouldn't have been able to make up the rules as exactly as he did.

What F1 clearly needs is a RD who doesn't give a stuff who he offends. Who follows the rules no matter what. Someone who is already financially secure and knows the sport... like an ex-F1 driver would be ideal. Someone like Niki Lauda would've been perfect.

Edited by mattikake on Tuesday 4th January 10:09

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and many have come out with differing opinions on what they would have done after the events in Abu Dhabi. I suspect their thinking would not have been so clear on the day.

[PhilAsia]

MissChief said:

mattikake said:

craigjm said:

mattikake said:

Johansson for race director please. He has it spot on.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/michael-masi-critici...

Total rubbish. Johansson offered what he would have done if he had been sat in the hot seat? Hmm right, that’s about as accurate as any of the other armchair race directors on this thread. He may be spouting the rules and going by the book but none of that matters…..

If he was really sitting in the hot seat and liberty is in your ear going “ignore the book make it a show or else” then you make it a show. When you are not the ultimate boss you do as you’re told and if you’re not in the position it’s easy to say “I would have done this”.

Johansson was talking rubbish? Liberty were not in his ear, the teams and time were... and his ass opened up. If masi wasn't the ultimate boss of race proceedings, he wouldn't have been able to make up the rules as exactly as he did.

What F1 clearly needs is a RD who doesn't give a stuff who he offends. Who follows the rules no matter what. Someone who is already financially secure and knows the sport... like an ex-F1 driver would be ideal. Someone like Niki Lauda would've been perfect.

Edited by mattikake on Tuesday 4th January 10:09

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and many have come out with differing opinions on what they would have done after the events in Abu Dhabi. I suspect their thinking would not have been so clear on the day.

Masi had been very clear about his actions in the past. Only a year previously, he was very clear about what to do, when to do it, why it was done and for how long...

[craigjm]

PhilAsia said:

Masi had been very clear about his actions in the past. Only a year previously, he was very clear about what to do, when to do it, why it was done and for how long...

Which is why I was saying I would not be surprised if there was some other message being given to him

[MarkwG]

craigjm said:

PhilAsia said:

Masi had been very clear about his actions in the past. Only a year previously, he was very clear about what to do, when to do it, why it was done and for how long...

Which is why I was saying I would not be surprised if there was some other message being given to him

Could you remind me where you said that, please?

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