The Official 2017 Brazilian Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[anonymous-user]

Villeneuve in more garbage punditry shocker.

[anonymous-user]

wevster said:

It is not the line the majority cars were taking.

Massa and Raikkonen have been penalised in the past for crossing the line.

only when 4 wheels over

[LaurasOtherHalf]

He could perhaps say it in a nicer way but he's not a million miles away in his assessment is he?

1 He din't get a good start
2 He backed out of the first corner (in fact he jinked so hard it was almost like he wasn't aware of where VET was)
3 He didn't try anything post first corner to try and get the position back
4 He didn't get close enough to try a move for the entire rest of the race

We could perhaps be kind and say HAM couldn't pass a Ferrari either but I personally feel that with VET's late lunge into turn 1 BOT could have taken the more natural racing line through the Senna S's and got a run on him down the straight.

(No I have no idea why I'm not being offered a seat in the second merc either!)

I wonder if he's under some pressure, more than we're aware of?

[wevster]

jsf said:

only when 4 wheels over

So not the normal racing line then?

[Vaud]

jsf said:

Villeneuve in more garbage punditry shocker.

Captain "Chip on Shoulder" aka "Rent a Mouth" to the rescue.

Quite the most poisonous pundit around... let alone as a former WDC...

You know it's bad when your former team ban you from their motorhome.

[anonymous-user]

wevster said:

jsf said:

only when 4 wheels over

So not the normal racing line then?

2 wheels over is, 4 wheels if they were allowed.

[coetzeeh]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

He could perhaps say it in a nicer way but he's not a million miles away in his assessment is he?

1 He din't get a good start
2 He backed out of the first corner (in fact he jinked so hard it was almost like he wasn't aware of where VET was)
3 He didn't try anything post first corner to try and get the position back
4 He didn't get close enough to try a move for the entire rest of the race

We could perhaps be kind and say HAM couldn't pass a Ferrari either but I personally feel that with VET's late lunge into turn 1 BOT could have taken the more natural racing line through the Senna S's and got a run on him down the straight.

(No I have no idea why I'm not being offered a seat in the second merc either!)

I wonder if he's under some pressure, more than we're aware of?

Bottas did say he could not see where Vettel was during the start run into the first corner.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

coetzeeh said:

Bottas did say he could not see where Vettel was during the start run into the first corner.

Maybe that's his problem? I mean I get that there is a large blind spot on these cars but anyone who's done a lot of driving should know about that spacial instinct you get to be aware of others around you.

In all my 1000+ laps of the 'ring I've never unintentionally shut the door on someone, you know from experience where someone is going to go (in this instance down the inside) and instinct tells you if they aren't where you can see them they'll likely be there.

BOT got the bad second phase start and didn't close the door, from that moment on he should have expected VET to be exactly where he was. Turning in and then getting a shock and bailing out looked amateur at best (not to mention ruining his line through the S's).

[anonymous-user]

You are comparing awareness of people around you driving at the ring to the start phase of a Grand Prix, seriously?

[glazbagun]

Bottas gave away his place in the US easily to vettel as well. I think he's toast if he doesn't have a blinder of a start next season, wonder if Williams still think it was worth it?

[RichB]

jsf said:

You are comparing awareness of people around you driving at the ring to the start phase of a Grand Prix, seriously?

[NRS]

RichB said:

jsf said:

You are comparing awareness of people around you driving at the ring to the start phase of a Grand Prix, seriously?

I did a karting event at a Stag Do, and had a 8th sense when someone was trying to pass. Shut the door on them each and every time.

[jm doc]

coetzeeh said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

He could perhaps say it in a nicer way but he's not a million miles away in his assessment is he?

1 He din't get a good start
2 He backed out of the first corner (in fact he jinked so hard it was almost like he wasn't aware of where VET was)
3 He didn't try anything post first corner to try and get the position back
4 He didn't get close enough to try a move for the entire rest of the race

We could perhaps be kind and say HAM couldn't pass a Ferrari either but I personally feel that with VET's late lunge into turn 1 BOT could have taken the more natural racing line through the Senna S's and got a run on him down the straight.

(No I have no idea why I'm not being offered a seat in the second merc either!)

I wonder if he's under some pressure, more than we're aware of?

Bottas did say he could not see where Vettel was during the start run into the first corner.

There was only one place Vettel was ever going to be and that was down the inside. All he had to do was cover it off right from the start. It was schoolboy stuff. Similarly he completely messed up the undercut.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

NRS said:

RichB said:

jsf said:

You are comparing awareness of people around you driving at the ring to the start phase of a Grand Prix, seriously?

I did a karting event at a Stag Do, and had a 8th sense when someone was trying to pass. Shut the door on them each and every time.

Alright, alright, so that post may just make me sound like a jumped up herbert But you don't think BOT should have known where VET was in one of the shortest runs to a first corner on the calendar?

He got a bad start, VET wasn't in his mirrors-where else was he going to be (admittedly he could have buggered off to try and hit VER somehow)?

[paulguitar]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

paulguitar said:

I think Rosberg was rather naughty in that incident. Lewis could have backed out of it perhaps, but was rather committed to the move and was probably not expecting Rosberg to make quite such a dramatic swerve.

It seems SO much less stressful at Merc with Bottas there!

Due to Botta's not being fast enough.

If he improves "which I very much doubt" things would start to get tense again.

I take your point, but I am not convinced. Bottas had the better of Hamilton at a couple of races earlier this year and all still seemed harmonious. I think the relationship between Lewis and Nico was poisoned beyond repair after Nico pulled his Monaco quali stunt. I just could not see either Lewis of Valteri ever doing something like that.

[NRS]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Alright, alright, so that post may just make me sound like a jumped up herbert But you don't think BOT should have known where VET was in one of the shortest runs to a first corner on the calendar?

He got a bad start, VET wasn't in his mirrors-where else was he going to be (admittedly he could have buggered off to try and hit VER somehow)?

I get what you mean, but suspect it is quite different in practice. I've no idea what you can see at different points, but it would likely be difficult to know how others did behind you. If Vettel had a great start and Bottas cut him off as you suggest he may have done a Vettel from a few races ago, and just driven into the side of Vettel for example.

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

Villeneuve in more garbage punditry shocker.

I've met him and he's far more obnoxious in real life! A bitter twisted man who is probably the least deserving F1 champion frankly! His father, however, was a proper legend!

[Vaud]

glazbagun said:

Bottas gave away his place in the US easily to vettel as well. I think he's toast if he doesn't have a blinder of a start next season, wonder if Williams still think it was worth it?

I think Williams were very happy with the deal.

[Redlake27]

Vaud said:

glazbagun said:

Bottas gave away his place in the US easily to vettel as well. I think he's toast if he doesn't have a blinder of a start next season, wonder if Williams still think it was worth it?

I think Williams were very happy with the deal.

I think Bottas' performances (brilliant on a few occasions, average on others) have shown what a high level Rosberg was operating at.
He has the winter to regroup and refocus. If he can't get to a Rosberg level, I reckon he will swapped with Ocon at Force India (or Wehrlein if he goes to Williams) very quickly in return for a Merc engine discount.

[Vaud]

Redlake27 said:

I think Bottas' performances (brilliant on a few occasions, average on others) have shown what a high level Rosberg was operating at.
He has the winter to regroup and refocus. If he can't get to a Rosberg level, I reckon he will swapped with Ocon at Force India (or Wehrlein if he goes to Williams) very quickly in return for a Merc engine discount.

I agree. My money would be on Ocon.