Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers

[Clockwork Cupcake]

PanicBuyingBogRoll said:

I was thinking it might be a red herring. Maybe the steering wheel just moves out and in.

Redbull and Ferrari may have just spent months of development time on their own system for nothing.

That would be the greatest practical joke in F1 history if that were so.

[TheDeuce]

jsf said:

Red Bull have not said they have a DAS system ready.
Horner refused to say they haven't got one.

If they had one, it would be on the car now.

If they had one it would be on the car as soon as they had confirmation it didn't breach any rules that the Mercedes system avoided surely? That is what this protest is about.. they simply have to object to the Mercedes system working the way their system actually works, and they have a green light - assuming they have successfully copied mercs system closely enough.

This was their first opportunity to take such action, having it fitted before now would have been a risk they didn't need to take.

[TheDeuce]

jsf said:

DAS is something you can implement just by changing the steering rack assembly, it doesn't need a complete front end redesign.
The tricky thing will be the packaging requirements to mount the new rack assembly, plus any control system feed, be that motors or hydraulics.

Beg to differ on the basis that every assembly has a known form and everything else is packaged as tightly as possible around that. There is a knock on effect to any change. I agree it's a simple enough system to implement mechanically - the genius isn't the engineering so much as spotting the gap in the regs. But it's still an addition to what was known when the nose was designed, and it's not as if the designers leave any extra space for unexpected extras..

[anonymous-user]

TheDeuce said:

If they had one it would be on the car as soon as they had confirmation it didn't breach any rules that the Mercedes system avoided surely? That is what this protest is about.. they simply have to object to the Mercedes system working the way their system actually works, and they have a green light - assuming they have successfully copied mercs system closely enough.

This was their first opportunity to take such action, having it fitted before now would have been a risk they didn't need to take.

It would be installed now, ready for when the legality is confirmed, if they already had it made.
If it's banned they just lock it off as Mercedes would have to do.

[jules_s]

I'm finding myself rooting for Seb to beat LEC in every race

[anonymous-user]

TheDeuce said:

Beg to differ on the basis that every assembly has a known form and everything else is packaged as tightly as possible around that. There is a knock on effect to any change. I agree it's a simple enough system to implement mechanically - the genius isn't the engineering so much as spotting the gap in the regs. But it's still an addition to what was known when the nose was designed, and it's not as if the designers leave any extra space for unexpected extras..

You said

TheDeuce said:

Retrofit might be a stretch, the entire frontend would have needed a redesign.

That's not true. The vast majority of the front end would remain unchanged.

[BrettMRC]

jsf said:

It would be installed now, ready for when the legality is confirmed, if they already had it made.
If it's banned they just lock it off as Mercedes would have to do.

Depending on the fitment arrangement it might also impact the design of the carbon tub... if thats the case RB would have a hard time implementing it now without having to crash test the new tube variant.

[HardtopManual]

Sit down in front of the TV.

Fire up the NowTV app.

Buy a Sky Sports pass.

"They must be re-running either FP1 or FP2 right now"

Tune in to find Johnny Herbert giggling like a schoolboy because Lando Norris has spilled milk in his lap.

I really hate Sky.

[anonymous-user]

BrettMRC said:

Depending on the fitment arrangement it might also impact the design of the carbon tub... if thats the case RB would have a hard time implementing it now without having to crash test the new tube variant.

Precisely, which leads one to the likely situation that they don't have it. If they do have it, it would be on the car now.

[Paul-M]

Just watching the onboard of Lewis’ fastest lap from today. Used the DAS system on the warm up lap but never once during the lap itself. May suggest it’s a system to warm the tyres up rather than give any aero advantage on the straights??

[anonymous-user]

Paul-M said:

Just watching the onboard of Lewis’ fastest lap from today. Used the DAS system on the warm up lap but never once during the lap itself. May suggest it’s a system to warm the tyres up rather than give any aero advantage on the straights??

It has multiple benefits.

[DanielSan]

HardtopManual said:

Sit down in front of the TV.

Fire up the NowTV app.

Buy a Sky Sports pass.

"They must be re-running either FP1 or FP2 right now"

Tune in to find Johnny Herbert giggling like a schoolboy because Lando Norris has spilled milk in his lap.

I really hate Sky.

If only there was some sort of resource to check TV channel schedules

[Clockwork Cupcake]

DanielSan said:

If only there was some sort of resource to check TV channel schedules

In fairness, it was a reasonable assumption to expect a re-run of the sessions.

[TheDeuce]

jsf said:

It would be installed now, ready for when the legality is confirmed, if they already had it made.
If it's banned they just lock it off as Mercedes would have to do.

But why install it if there is a chance it can't be used? They want data based on what they chiefly designed to run, not data based on extra weight and complexity for something they may not run. They have the budget to have a system swappable overnight. If the FIA clear this up tomorrow they could have it together by quali, assuming they do have it ready to go. Probably more likely they would run this weekend without it, and next weekend run it - it's the same circuit so would represent about the most perfect back to back test of effectiveness possible.

Also, are you certain they could safely run quali with a system that could deemed illegal, just because they had it locked off? I suspect you're more up to date with the regs than I am, but that sounds like a risk.

[anonymous-user]

TheDeuce said:

But why install it if there is a chance it can't be used? They want data based on what they chiefly designed to run, not data based on extra weight and complexity for something they may not run. They have the budget to have a system swappable overnight. If the FIA clear this up tomorrow they could have it together by quali, assuming they do have it ready to go. Probably more likely they would run this weekend without it, and next weekend run it - it's the same circuit so would represent about the most perfect back to back test of effectiveness possible.

Also, are you certain they could safely run quali with a system that could deemed illegal, just because they had it locked off? I suspect you're more up to date with the regs than I am, but that sounds like a risk.

Why, because it's faster. These guys are trying to find 0.01s increments. DAS could improve by tenths, and in cold warm up situations could add a lot more.

If movable toe is deemed illegal, locking it off would make it legal.

[C Lee Farquar]

DanielSan said:

If only there was some sort of resource to check TV channel schedules

To be fair, I tuned in earlier and it wasn't showing what it said on the sky box schedule.

And JH being a chirpy buffoon is tiresome in excess.

[TheDeuce]

jsf said:

TheDeuce said:

But why install it if there is a chance it can't be used? They want data based on what they chiefly designed to run, not data based on extra weight and complexity for something they may not run. They have the budget to have a system swappable overnight. If the FIA clear this up tomorrow they could have it together by quali, assuming they do have it ready to go. Probably more likely they would run this weekend without it, and next weekend run it - it's the same circuit so would represent about the most perfect back to back test of effectiveness possible.

Also, are you certain they could safely run quali with a system that could deemed illegal, just because they had it locked off? I suspect you're more up to date with the regs than I am, but that sounds like a risk.

Why, because it's faster. These guys are trying to find 0.01s increments. DAS could improve by tenths, and in cold warm up situations could add a lot more.

If movable toe is deemed illegal, locking it off would make it legal.

Well I obviously agree about the potential of DAS vs fixed toe, it's a no brainer. I think there is more complexity, or perceived risk in RB copying it and running it straight away however. I really do think their protest is an attempt to double check the legality of their own solution in the FIA's eyes. Otherwise, as you say, why not have it day one.

I suppose the follow up question would be "why would it be illegal if Mercedes can do it". But so far as I'm aware, the clarification Mercedes have over the legality of their system is not public knowledge. Red Bull could copy it in principal but come unstuck on a technicality Mercedes have already navigated. Red Bull need to copy the idea but also make sure that their implementation is legal on each point that Mercedes is.

[rallycross]

JonChalk said:

Horner continues this year, as all past years; a worthy successor to the disenguous Ecclestone.

Never knowingly speaking the truth, when ambiguity, deflection and failure to answer a direct question will suffice.

A career in politics beckons....

He sure is a slimy horrible political sleaze. That might explain his choice of woman, perfect together.

[Deesee]

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[C Lee Farquar]

TheDeuce said:

Red Bull need to copy the idea but also make sure that their implementation is legal on each point that Mercedes is.

Which they could have done in the same way Mercedes have done. Being as it's not ready, it's easier to protest Mercedes DAS.