Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers
Discussion
rallycross said:
He sure is a slimy horrible political sleaze. That might explain his choice of woman, perfect together.
My first hand impression of Geri was not exactly sleaze. She's quite lovely. A loose cannon perhaps, almost the opposite of cool calculating husband in that regard. Maybe that's why it works? The common factor is that they both have a propensity for media attention.Anyway, the key point is that I got her wet when we met.. I can back that up
C Lee Farquar said:
TheDeuce said:
Red Bull need to copy the idea but also make sure that their implementation is legal on each point that Mercedes is.
Which they could have done in the same way Mercedes have done. Being as it's not ready, it's easier to protest Mercedes DAS.Deesee said:
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TheDeuce said:
The key thing is they don't know precisely how/why the Mercedes solution was acceptable to the FIA.
They know what the system does.They know the regulations.
Some of the finest minds in F1 can't work out how an outwardly basic system complies with the regs, having sat at home for months?
A system that may shave tenths of a lap time.
Extremely unlikely IMO
C Lee Farquar said:
They know what the system does.
They know the regulations.
Some of the finest minds in F1 can't work out how an outwardly basic system complies with the regs, having sat at home for months?
A system that may shave tenths of a lap time.
Extremely unlikely IMO
They won't proceed with a system so close to breaking regs without effective approval - hence them prodding the fire. That's my belief, I respect that you may see it differently. It has nothing to do with their engineering capability or the regs as written. It has everything to do with how the FIA deal with unexpected grey areas.They know the regulations.
Some of the finest minds in F1 can't work out how an outwardly basic system complies with the regs, having sat at home for months?
A system that may shave tenths of a lap time.
Extremely unlikely IMO
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
It has everything to do with how the FIA deal with unexpected grey areas.
Badly is the usual way. The Renault mass damper was a classic bulls
t ban by the FIA on aero grounds.If it turns out their system doesn't tick the same legality boxes as Mercedes, I fully expect they'll drop it and claim it was a waste of time.
I might be wrong, perhaps RB are playing a different game. But if they do have their own system, and if it is close to Mercedes implementation, then a protest focused on the areas where it might be differ would be the fastest way to get it effectively approved. If they ask the FIA "if Mercedes system does 'xyz' would it be legal?" then they will get an answer. If they ask the same question but replace 'xyz' with their own implementation, they will still get an answer. It's a fast track to FIA approval I think - under the guise of challenging Mercedes, who clearly already have approval - it's just that RB don't know precisely how/why they got that approval without asking ('protesting') a few questions themselves.
ajprice said:
They may have been telling porkies, but when DAS was discovered in testing, didn't Red Bull say they couldn't use any similar system themselves because they couldn't fit it into their narrower front tub/nose
It depends how they designed the current config, that area of the car is usually the one with the most room available for extra items.The FIA have rejected Red Bulls protest:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-red-bull-me...
fk you Horner.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-red-bull-me...
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k you Horner.jsf said:
ajprice said:
They may have been telling porkies, but when DAS was discovered in testing, didn't Red Bull say they couldn't use any similar system themselves because they couldn't fit it into their narrower front tub/nose
It depends how they designed the current config, that area of the car is usually the one with the most room available for extra items.1) slide the steering rack up/down, the travel of which will leverage it's influence on toe
2) Install hydraulic ram to extend/contract the rack
Either of which would not require a lot of extra space in conventional terms, but quite a lot of space withing the confines of a tightly packaged F1 car. Either would be beyond the expectations of the design team when the 2020 car was penned, way before Mercedes arrived with their system.
Mr Pointy said:
The FIA have rejected Red Bulls protest:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-red-bull-me...
fk you Horner.
I think it's highly likely he just got the result he hoped for.. He's double checked in the easiest of ways.https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-red-bull-me...
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k you Horner.ash73 said:
Strange decision, seems clearly illegal to me but there you go.
Season is over already.
Not sure how you work that out after 2 practice sessions where it seems the leading teams bar Racing Point have been following a program that seems to have been more to do with upgrade testing than even getting close to full pace. Are the Mercedes likely to be fastest? Probably, but they aren't going to be the best part of a second quicker than the next car come qualifying, DAS or no DAS. Season is over already.
ash73 said:
Strange decision, seems clearly illegal to me but there you go.
I think almost everyone disagrees with you there. As far as I can see, any rule that DAS could have broken would also be broken by the basic steering system on every other car - if DAS is a "movable aerodynamic device", so is the normal steering; if DAS "adjusts the suspension while the car is in motion" so does a normal steering system.
Of course both of those things are true, strictly speaking - front wheels which turn relative to the body of the car are movable aerodynamic devices and turning the steering does adjust the suspension geometry, but to ban DAS on those grounds would also be to ban steering, which would be a bit unfortunate.
Ultimately all Mercedes are doing, is using the steering wheel to steer the front wheels.
As for whether the season is over, I think it was pretty obvious Mercedes were the favourites from pretty much the first day of pre-season testing and I've seen nothing else, DAS or no DAS, to indicate any different. To my mind Hamilton was always favourite to win this season and, since they extended the use of the current cars to next year, probably next as well. If anything the shortening of the season and risk of the drivers or teams being forced to miss races by COVID19 has made it more likely that luck will play a part and throw the result up in the air.
Edited by kambites on Saturday 4th July 08:00
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