Christian Horner

[p1stonhead]

GPH said:

MustangGT said:

But only if the messages are genuine. There is no proof that they are yet.

Get real. We are way past that. That was settled on Friday and again yesterday.
From the horses mouth numerous times when he kept it shut after being asked if they were.

Imagine them being fake and CH not IMMEDIATELY (like in a nanosecond) saying so

[520TORQUES]

DonkeyApple said:

What I'm actually saying is that if you're going to hang someone, do so with the full facts not what is known to be a hand selected part of the story. Not arguing that someone is innocent merely observing that in order to find someone guilty you need the actual evidence.

An intelligent guy like you can see enough to form an opinion in those published messages though. There is no denial from CH that those messages are real. It likely wont go to a court, but if it did, there is enough evidence there to show both CH and the company are in breach, even ignoring any other evidence which may come to light. In a tribunal the judge would take into consideration the other mitigating circumstances, and that is usually reflected in the payment ordered.

Anyway, i think we have both given our opinions enough on the messages content, what's the issue now is what are all the parties next move, because it cant be just brushed under the carpet now. Cue a carpet with a big bulge.

[mjb1]

As the old adage goes: there's no such thing as bad publicity (for f1 in general, not so much CH personally in this case).

[520TORQUES]

mjb1 said:

As the old adage goes: there's no such thing as bad publicity (for f1 in general, not so much CH personally in this case).

F1 are chasing the female and family $, this could end badly for those aspirations.

[ridds]

Those messages are a very carefully selected few from what would be a massive conversation. There is a lot we are not privy to. FH started working closely with CH going back to 2021.

None of those screenshots have date stamps on which, as many have eluded to with the timestamps in the notification bar, show that this was clearly pre-meditated. If you scroll back through your own WhatsApp convos (al least on Android) the date automatically appears for older messages and you have to scroll up/down to get rid of it. Might be different on iPhone.

FH is no a simp, she's worked in top level Motorsport for many years and it's a dog-eat-dog world. She's no victim here.

They both knew what they were doing, their situation has changed for whatever reason and it has now become this.

Edited by ridds on Sunday 3rd March 21:51

[wevster]

ridds said:

Those messages are a very carefully selected few from what would be a massive conversation. There is a lot we are not privy to. FH started working closely with CH going back to 2021.

None of those screenshots have date stamps on which, as many have eluded to with the timestamps in the notification bar, show that this was clearly pre-meditated. If you scroll back through your own WhatsApp convos (al least on Android) the date automatically appears for older messages and you have to scroll up/down to get rid of it. Might be different on iPhone.

JH is no a simp, she's worked in top level Motorsport for many years and it's a dog-eat-dog world. She's no victim here.

They both knew what they were doing, their situation has changed for whatever reason and it has now become this.

Who is FH?

[riskyj]

ridds said:

If you scroll back through your own WhatsApp convos (al least on Android) the date automatically appears for older messages and you have to scroll up/down to get rid of it. Might be different on iPhone.

It’s different on iOS. The date appears briefly as you scroll then immediately fades away once you stop.

[GPH]

wevster said:

Who is FH?

The suspected complainant

[ridds]

riskyj said:

It’s different on iOS. The date appears briefly as you scroll then immediately fades away once you stop.

Is the background on both their messages the default for iOS as well?

[520TORQUES]

ridds said:

Those messages are a very carefully selected few from what would be a massive conversation. There is a lot we are not privy to. FH started working closely with CH going back to 2021.

None of those screenshots have date stamps on which, as many have eluded to with the timestamps in the notification bar, show that this was clearly pre-meditated. If you scroll back through your own WhatsApp convos (al least on Android) the date automatically appears for older messages and you have to scroll up/down to get rid of it. Might be different on iPhone.

JH is no a simp, she's worked in top level Motorsport for many years and it's a dog-eat-dog world. She's no victim here.

They both knew what they were doing, their situation has changed for whatever reason and it has now become this.

No disrespect, but that changes nothing. CH in his position as CEO and the company have obligations under the law.
Saving messages is something you should do when you are in a position which could lead to action against you, you need evidence to bring a claim to a tribunal, you are told to keep records if you are in a position like that.

[Adrian W]

This episode shows Redbull for what that are, they should be backing Horner to a man (even if it turns out o be true) they are hanging him out to dry, while the wife beater makes snide comments to the press, he should be banned from the Pit for that.


Imagine Ferrari behaving like that

[mjb1]

wevster said:

Who is FH?

I'm not sure if ph would like it if we named names on this one. It's not hard to find out with a bit of online sleuthing though, although it seems the internet is being cleaned of anything official where she's mentioned.

Red Bull had a video on YouTube called "race to Miami" which she featured in (very very briefly) and her name was at the top on the credits due to order of appearance. It was still viewable on YouTube yesterday, but today it's been made private from public view.

[EddieSteadyGo]

DonkeyApple said:

What I'm actually saying is that if you're going to hang someone, do so with the full facts not what is known to be a hand selected part of the story. Not arguing that someone is innocent merely observing that in order to find someone guilty you need the actual evidence.

Think you will find that isn't true, at least not with some around here.... all you need is to have read a few pages on the Acas website and be ready to convict having read the case for the prosecution.

[520TORQUES]

Adrian W said:

This episode shows Redbull for what that are, they should be backing Horner to a man (even if it turns out o be true) they are hanging him out to dry, while the wife beater makes snide comments to the press, he should be banned from the Pit for that.


Imagine Ferrari behaving like that

Red Bull is not a single entity.

It's clear Red Bull is a company in turmoil with the majority shareholder now flexing his muscles at the young new pretender to the minority share.
This may well end up in one of the largest corporate spats in history.

[GPH]

Adrian W said:

This episode shows Redbull for what that are, they should be backing Horner to a man (even if it turns out o be true) they are hanging him out to dry, while the wife beater makes snide comments to the press, he should be banned from the Pit for that.


Imagine Ferrari behaving like that

Jos would have a horses head on his pillow in the morning for interfering.

[davidd]

mjb1 said:

I'm not sure if ph would like it if we named names on this one. It's not hard to find out with a bit of online sleuthing though, although it seems the internet is being cleaned of anything official where she's mentioned.

Red Bull had a video on YouTube called "race to Miami" which she featured in (very very briefly) and her name was at the top on the credits due to order of appearance. It was still viewable on YouTube yesterday, but today it's been made private from public view.

IMDb can help

[Wills2]

vdn said:

There are more incidents than that too... dating back to Max's early days in Karting. If anyone dare overtake his son with any vigour, Jos was likely to threaten them with violence.

Yeah I saw those but just put the ones that show just how unfit that excuse for a man is to be giving interviews on the subject, he needs removing from the paddock, it just shows the double standards and hypocrisy of the sport.

[GPH]

mjb1 said:

I'm not sure if ph would like it if we named names on this one. It's not hard to find out with a bit of online sleuthing though, although it seems the internet is being cleaned of anything official where she's mentioned.

Red Bull had a video on YouTube called "race to Miami" which she featured in (very very briefly) and her name was at the top on the credits due to order of appearance. It was still viewable on YouTube yesterday, but today it's been made private from public view.

That's interesting. Yesterday all you had to do in Google was type "Christian horner f " and it suggested her name. now nothing. Someone is cleaning up the internet .
So she either has powerful lawyers or has signed the NDA and is being removed from all Red Bull associations

[MitchT]

TheDeuce said:

Rusty Old-Banger said:

This whole saga is turning F1 in to a crap version of Eastenders. Embarrassing, IMO. Lots of respect for RB lost, what sort of stshow are they managing here?

Get Horner out, ban JV, and start acting like a multinational, professional outfit.

Apparently it's the sort of st show the FIA wish to keep together and carry on, given Sulayem's private request for Max to show unity.

I'm starting to think this whole bizarre stshow has been scripted for Drive to Survive and we can't know that because it has to look convincing... either that or JV, whose contribution thus far has been akin to that of a ranting lunatic, has properly lost his marbles.

[wevster]

davidd said:

mjb1 said:

I'm not sure if ph would like it if we named names on this one. It's not hard to find out with a bit of online sleuthing though, although it seems the internet is being cleaned of anything official where she's mentioned.

Red Bull had a video on YouTube called "race to Miami" which she featured in (very very briefly) and her name was at the top on the credits due to order of appearance. It was still viewable on YouTube yesterday, but today it's been made private from public view.

IMDb can help

Thanks, lots like 'race to Miami has now been removed...