Welcome back Jenson?
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blueg33 said:
DJRC said:
Precisely because it annoys some ppl enough to comment on it rather than on what is being discussed is precisely the reason I continue to do it. That it still riles ppl after 10yrs continues to warm the cockles of my extremely childish heart 
That ppl continue to regard calling someone childish as some kind of deep insult also continues to gladden me Just wait until you are able to tell me what a totally uncouth low born gutter dwelling piece of scum I am and fear not stick around for I give plenty such opportunities
Or of course you can just ignore it. You would be amazed at the amount of b
ks I manage to ignore but then I freely expect most of what is said to be drivel. I am rarely disappointed
How infantile.................. That ppl continue to regard calling someone childish as some kind of deep insult also continues to gladden me Just wait until you are able to tell me what a totally uncouth low born gutter dwelling piece of scum I am and fear not stick around for I give plenty such opportunities Or of course you can just ignore it. You would be amazed at the amount of b
ks I manage to ignore but then I freely expect most of what is said to be drivel. I am rarely disappointed 
Gaz. said:
And why is that? He was put out on loan to Benneton/Renault for two years to make way for Montoya, lost his seat to Alonso in 2003 and neither Williams or Renault chose to renew his contract for 2003. This is where it goes from bad to worse, JB signs a 2+2 contract with BAR with a stipulation that if they lost the Honda engine he could walk and his manager got him a contract with Williams, which was contested by BAR as not only were they keeping the engines, Honda was buying 45% of the team. So while Williams-BMW would become a bloody good car JB was stuck at BAR for another two years. Then JB signs a contract with Williams in 2006 and has to buy his way out of it to stay with Honda for £17m. The 2006 Honda was vastly better than the Williams, he was certainly right about that but for 2007-2008 neither were any good. Meanwhile Montoya had finished 3rd in the WDC in 2002 & 2003, and Alonso would win the WDC twice in the time that Button was battling contracts between Brackley, Enstone & The Grove. Between poor decisions & sitting on a yacht while the test driver grafts at the factory Button got himself into crap cars.
I really rate Button but 2000-2008 really was his own making.
And yet, despite all the poor management decisions, if you were to ask him now would he go back and change anything? That chain of events lead to him being in the right place at the right time with Honda/Brawn to win a WDC. More luck than judgement undoubtedly, but does it matter at the end of your career when you look back?I really rate Button but 2000-2008 really was his own making.
If he had taken any of those Williams opportunities where would he be now? Neither the team nor any of the other drivers they employed throughout that decade have gone on to win a world title since. The Renault situation was out of his hands, since Flavio wanted his young hotshoe Alonso in the car, and anyway it took a further three years after he had left before the titles went in Enstone's direction, so it wasn't like he hopped straight out of a winning car into a dog.
JoyDivision said:
DJRC said:
As for Hamilton? Rapidly becoming a modern great.
A great what?Maybe look back in another 10 years and see then what he may have achieved.
At the moment he`s just another driver.
Lewis should go down as one of the great entertaining racers (win or lose) of all time, Only time will tell if he can ever be mentioned in the same breath as the Senna's, Prost's, Schumacher's etc...
The only 2 of the current list of f1 drivers that have the potential of going down as one of the greats are the obvious two, and Sebastian Vettel isn't one of them, regardless if he goes on and wins another wdc.
Back on topic, it'll be a sad day if Jenson has to retire, or leave f1 next season because his not got a decent car to drive.
The only 2 of the current list of f1 drivers that have the potential of going down as one of the greats are the obvious two, and Sebastian Vettel isn't one of them, regardless if he goes on and wins another wdc.
Back on topic, it'll be a sad day if Jenson has to retire, or leave f1 next season because his not got a decent car to drive.
Europa1 said:
RichB said:
Is snarky the in word?
I didn't think they were snarky, more world weary, dry sarcasm born out of 2 seasons of dragging a dog of a car around the world's racetracks whilst suffering a series of left field strategy calls and currently having his chain seriously yanked by his employer as said employer fawns over the "Spanish samurai"Google Definition said:
snarky
snide and sharply critical.
snide and sharply critical.
DJRC said:
Precisely because it annoys some ppl enough to comment on it rather than on what is being discussed is precisely the reason I continue to do it. That it still riles ppl after 10yrs continues to warm the cockles of my extremely childish heart That ppl continue to regard calling someone childish as some kind of deep insult also continues to gladden me Just wait until you are able to tell me what a totally uncouth low born gutter dwelling piece of scum I am and fear not stick around for I give plenty such opportunities
Or of course you can just ignore it. You would be amazed at the amount of bks I manage to ignore but then I freely expect most of what is said to be drivel. I am rarely disappointed
I can relate to that. That ppl continue to regard calling someone childish as some kind of deep insult also continues to gladden me Just wait until you are able to tell me what a totally uncouth low born gutter dwelling piece of scum I am and fear not stick around for I give plenty such opportunities Or of course you can just ignore it. You would be amazed at the amount of b
ks I manage to ignore but then I freely expect most of what is said to be drivel. I am rarely disappointed Gaz. said:
Smollet said:
Going back to the fact that Hamilton has won more GPs than Button I'd venture to say that Button has spent a far greater percentage of his career driving a crap car compared to that of Hamilton.
And why is that? He was put out on loan to Benneton/Renault for two years to make way for Montoya, lost his seat to Alonso in 2003 and neither Williams or Renault chose to renew his contract for 2003. This is where it goes from bad to worse, JB signs a 2+2 contract with BAR with a stipulation that if they lost the Honda engine he could walk and his manager got him a contract with Williams, which was contested by BAR as not only were they keeping the engines, Honda was buying 45% of the team. So while Williams-BMW would become a bloody good car JB was stuck at BAR for another two years. Then JB signs a contract with Williams in 2006 and has to buy his way out of it to stay with Honda for £17m. The 2006 Honda was vastly better than the Williams, he was certainly right about that but for 2007-2008 neither were any good. Meanwhile Montoya had finished 3rd in the WDC in 2002 & 2003, and Alonso would win the WDC twice in the time that Button was battling contracts between Brackley, Enstone & The Grove. Between poor decisions & sitting on a yacht while the test driver grafts at the factory Button got himself into crap cars.I really rate Button but 2000-2008 really was his own making.
swisstoni said:
Gaz. said:
Smollet said:
Going back to the fact that Hamilton has won more GPs than Button I'd venture to say that Button has spent a far greater percentage of his career driving a crap car compared to that of Hamilton.
And why is that? He was put out on loan to Benneton/Renault for two years to make way for Montoya, lost his seat to Alonso in 2003 and neither Williams or Renault chose to renew his contract for 2003. This is where it goes from bad to worse, JB signs a 2+2 contract with BAR with a stipulation that if they lost the Honda engine he could walk and his manager got him a contract with Williams, which was contested by BAR as not only were they keeping the engines, Honda was buying 45% of the team. So while Williams-BMW would become a bloody good car JB was stuck at BAR for another two years. Then JB signs a contract with Williams in 2006 and has to buy his way out of it to stay with Honda for £17m. The 2006 Honda was vastly better than the Williams, he was certainly right about that but for 2007-2008 neither were any good. Meanwhile Montoya had finished 3rd in the WDC in 2002 & 2003, and Alonso would win the WDC twice in the time that Button was battling contracts between Brackley, Enstone & The Grove. Between poor decisions & sitting on a yacht while the test driver grafts at the factory Button got himself into crap cars.I really rate Button but 2000-2008 really was his own making.
Good thing his driving skills haven't had as many holes in it
Lewis was always going to be a better driver over the course of their careers, his a better driver, but jenson would also have his moments of fame (wdc, Canada afewyyears ago).
I imagine we'll be getting some news on this at Brazil, if not sooner.
Button has been posting some nostalgic twitter posts in the last couple of days, such as pics of his first year in F1 and his last win.
Button's good friend Coulthard also tweeted a video on "when to call time" the other day.
Alonso seemed to be having a good old eyeball of the Mclaren last weekend too -
http://www.grandprix247.com/2014/11/05/santander-m...
It's naturally a shame he didn't have more success with Mclaren, but when he looks back at his career, particularly from 2009 onwards, surely he'd be happy with what he's acheived?
Button has been posting some nostalgic twitter posts in the last couple of days, such as pics of his first year in F1 and his last win.
Button's good friend Coulthard also tweeted a video on "when to call time" the other day.
Alonso seemed to be having a good old eyeball of the Mclaren last weekend too -
http://www.grandprix247.com/2014/11/05/santander-m...
It's naturally a shame he didn't have more success with Mclaren, but when he looks back at his career, particularly from 2009 onwards, surely he'd be happy with what he's acheived?
5RedLights said:
I imagine we'll be getting some news on this at Brazil, if not sooner.
Button has been posting some nostalgic twitter posts in the last couple of days, such as pics of his first year in F1 and his last win.
Button's good friend Coulthard also tweeted a video on "when to call time" the other day.
Alonso seemed to be having a good old eyeball of the Mclaren last weekend too -
http://www.grandprix247.com/2014/11/05/santander-m...
It's naturally a shame he didn't have more success with Mclaren, but when he looks back at his career, particularly from 2009 onwards, surely he'd be happy with what he's acheived?
3rd most starts of any F1 driver behind Mickey Cobblers and Mr Barrichello, bagged a teams first win and championship (technically two first wins...but y'know). He's been around a while and in his pomp regularly featured in lists of team principals most rated. Certainly not the waste of space some of the more rabid folk on here would contend! Button has been posting some nostalgic twitter posts in the last couple of days, such as pics of his first year in F1 and his last win.
Button's good friend Coulthard also tweeted a video on "when to call time" the other day.
Alonso seemed to be having a good old eyeball of the Mclaren last weekend too -
http://www.grandprix247.com/2014/11/05/santander-m...
It's naturally a shame he didn't have more success with Mclaren, but when he looks back at his career, particularly from 2009 onwards, surely he'd be happy with what he's acheived?
Vocal Minority said:
3rd most starts of any F1 driver behind Mickey Cobblers and Mr Barrichello, bagged a teams first win and championship (technically two first wins...but y'know). He's been around a while and in his pomp regularly featured in lists of team principals most rated. Certainly not the waste of space some of the more rabid folk on here would contend!
[Nods head in agreement with above]Vocal Minority said:
3rd most starts of any F1 driver behind Mickey Cobblers and Mr Barrichello, bagged a teams first win and championship (technically two first wins...but y'know). He's been around a while and in his pomp regularly featured in lists of team principals most rated. Certainly not the waste of space some of the more rabid folk on here would contend!
It speaks volumes about who rates him, not how many people. And the names that do rate him tell you everything you need to know.Very unlikely to be going to Porsche http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116623
Will be a shame if. He leaves the f1 paddock rate him highly which really means things I think his biggest issue is Ron Dennis never hired him it was whitmarsh not sure if he was ever linked to a mclaren drive in the past but Montoya was signed for 2001 before Jb was signed for 2000 I think then Flávio wanted his star pupil alonso in the car personally I'd of kept Jb instead of trullli when he went to bar surprised a lot of people when compared to villneuve drove prob better than the Ferrari drivers in 04 reasonably well in 05 and 06 with midfield equipment showing real form hear or there then terrible cars in 07 and 08 with the odd star drive to tenth etc blitzed barrichello in their time together who was as good as schumi on his day didn't have Hamiltons qualifying speed was always 2 tenths behind but then his tyres could do 5 laps more in first stint which to be fair wasn't reqired a lot of the time deserves a place in f1 and his success he has had
Crafty_ said:
Very unlikely to be going to Porsche http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116623
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