Christian Horner
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wevster said:
davidd said:
mjb1 said:
I'm not sure if ph would like it if we named names on this one. It's not hard to find out with a bit of online sleuthing though, although it seems the internet is being cleaned of anything official where she's mentioned.
Red Bull had a video on YouTube called "race to Miami" which she featured in (very very briefly) and her name was at the top on the credits due to order of appearance. It was still viewable on YouTube yesterday, but today it's been made private from public view.
IMDb can helpRed Bull had a video on YouTube called "race to Miami" which she featured in (very very briefly) and her name was at the top on the credits due to order of appearance. It was still viewable on YouTube yesterday, but today it's been made private from public view.
520TORQUES said:
An intelligent guy like you can see enough to form an opinion in those published messages though. There is no denial from CH that those messages are real. It likely wont go to a court, but if it did, there is enough evidence there to show both CH and the company are in breach, even ignoring any other evidence which may come to light. In a tribunal the judge would take into consideration the other mitigating circumstances, and that is usually reflected in the payment ordered.
Anyway, i think we have both given our opinions enough on the messages content, what's the issue now is what are all the parties next move, because it cant be just brushed under the carpet now. Cue a carpet with a big bulge.
Have you ever done jury duty?Anyway, i think we have both given our opinions enough on the messages content, what's the issue now is what are all the parties next move, because it cant be just brushed under the carpet now. Cue a carpet with a big bulge.
Did you even wait for the defence before pronouncing guilt?
520TORQUES said:
ridds said:
Those messages are a very carefully selected few from what would be a massive conversation. There is a lot we are not privy to. FH started working closely with CH going back to 2021.
None of those screenshots have date stamps on which, as many have eluded to with the timestamps in the notification bar, show that this was clearly pre-meditated. If you scroll back through your own WhatsApp convos (al least on Android) the date automatically appears for older messages and you have to scroll up/down to get rid of it. Might be different on iPhone.
JH is no a simp, she's worked in top level Motorsport for many years and it's a dog-eat-dog world. She's no victim here.
They both knew what they were doing, their situation has changed for whatever reason and it has now become this.
No disrespect, but that changes nothing. CH in his position as CEO and the company have obligations under the law.None of those screenshots have date stamps on which, as many have eluded to with the timestamps in the notification bar, show that this was clearly pre-meditated. If you scroll back through your own WhatsApp convos (al least on Android) the date automatically appears for older messages and you have to scroll up/down to get rid of it. Might be different on iPhone.
JH is no a simp, she's worked in top level Motorsport for many years and it's a dog-eat-dog world. She's no victim here.
They both knew what they were doing, their situation has changed for whatever reason and it has now become this.
Saving messages is something you should do when you are in a position which could lead to action against you, you need evidence to bring a claim to a tribunal, you are told to keep records if you are in a position like that.
Screenshotting every message as they arrive smells a bit to me.
What would Toto and Susie's WhatsApp convo look like? He was in a position of power there, suspect they may have been of similar context.
Maybe with more "rizz".
davidd said:
wevster said:
Thanks, lots like 'race to Miami has now been removed...
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20196566/?ref_=ext_shr_lnkChrist what a f
king munter https://youlaif.com/who-is-fiona-hewitson-christia...
zippy3x said:
Have you ever done jury duty?
Did you even wait for the defence before pronouncing guilt?
The breach is there on display, what you don't have is all the other information that would be considered by a judge if it went to a tribunal (it's not a jury trial).Did you even wait for the defence before pronouncing guilt?
Do you understand the obligations a company and any employee has with regards to workplace sexual harassment?
If you did, you would understand how even with that limited information there is an issue.
520TORQUES said:
The breach is there on display, what you don't have is all the other information that would be considered by a judge if it went to a tribunal (it's not a jury trial).
Do you understand the obligations a company and any employee has with regards to workplace sexual harassment?
If you did, you would understand how even with that limited information there is an issue.
You are making yourself look foolish. It's possible there was a breach, if you take those messages at face value. Fortunately, tribunals use a higher standard than that. There are minimum standards of evidence, and rules to ensure fairness for *all* parties. FH couldn't just pick a selection of messages, without timestamps, out of context, and expect that just to be accepted as evidence. Do you understand the obligations a company and any employee has with regards to workplace sexual harassment?
If you did, you would understand how even with that limited information there is an issue.
Purosangue said:
Never under estimate the power of alcoholArt Keller said:
Purosangue said:
Never under estimate the power of alcoholWills2 said:
Isn't she Jos's GF now? Which if true just completes the circle of incredulity.
Wouldnt surprise me , or to find it was Jos who leaked the Texts about time they kicked Jos out of the Red Bull garage .............. all this Bulls
t he spouts " Max will walk away to Mercedes " no he wont you orrible tt because he wants to win not come 5th never known any driver have their Dad in the back constantly stirring s
tt ............. or they could stick Sainz in the red bull and let Max go the Mercedes 520TORQUES said:
zippy3x said:
Have you ever done jury duty?
Did you even wait for the defence before pronouncing guilt?
The breach is there on display, what you don't have is all the other information that would be considered by a judge if it went to a tribunal (it's not a jury trial).Did you even wait for the defence before pronouncing guilt?
Do you understand the obligations a company and any employee has with regards to workplace sexual harassment?
If you did, you would understand how even with that limited information there is an issue.
1) WhatsApp Message : from PA : "Christian you need to stop"
2) later that day she goes into his office, tells him she's made a mistake, she wants to carry on, w
ks him off.3) next day : WhatsApp : from CH "What are you wearing.
We've seen carefully curated 1 & 3. Without 2 it looks like a clear case of sexual harassment. When you take item 2 into account, there is no harassment, lack of judgement perhaps, harassment, no
zippy3x said:
520TORQUES said:
zippy3x said:
Have you ever done jury duty?
Did you even wait for the defence before pronouncing guilt?
The breach is there on display, what you don't have is all the other information that would be considered by a judge if it went to a tribunal (it's not a jury trial).Did you even wait for the defence before pronouncing guilt?
Do you understand the obligations a company and any employee has with regards to workplace sexual harassment?
If you did, you would understand how even with that limited information there is an issue.
1) WhatsApp Message : from PA : "Christian you need to stop"
2) later that day she goes into his office, tells him she's made a mistake, she wants to carry on, w
ks him off.3) next day : WhatsApp : from CH "What are you wearing.
We've seen carefully curated 1 & 3. Without 2 it looks like a clear case of sexual harassment. When you take item 2 into account, there is no harassment, lack of judgement perhaps, harassment, no
But what difference does it make in this instance?
Horner isn't facing criminal charges, it's an employment matter. His employers have elected to keep him. He may still be forced to go if the sponsors baulk, but if they do it will be because his sexual nature is now public and causes discomfort, whether or not he technically was being a predator or not isn't the problem - it would make it worse but the biggest problem is that it's now impossible to look at CH and not think about him w
king on a plane and frothing at his PA. Interpret the messages as you will, but whatever you conclude, it won't change the fact that more has been shared than a lot of people will be able to see past.Ironically other revelations have actually placed CH as something of a victim so perhaps for that reason he can survive. I think Joe public would probably rather have the known woman beater expelled than CH, who has essentially just been revealed to be a flawed human, like most of us humans are in some form - albeit few 50 year olds eat coco pops..
EddieSteadyGo said:
You are making yourself look foolish. It's possible there was a breach, if you take those messages at face value. Fortunately, tribunals use a higher standard than that. There are minimum standards of evidence, and rules to ensure fairness for *all* parties. FH couldn't just pick a selection of messages, without timestamps, out of context, and expect that just to be accepted as evidence.
She can submit anything she wants as evidence. It's up to the court to consider how valid it is.EddieSteadyGo said:
Those who were saying on Friday that Horner should have been sacked after reading the leaked messages, or that he wouldn't be able to survive as TP due to the content of the messages, will hopefully now be starting to see they have been manipulated by Jos Verstappen....
CH's behaviour to his PA in those texts was despicable and whatever else is going on, he should be out just because of that never mind trying to control who his PA may or may not be having a relationship with..EddieSteadyGo said:
TheDeuce said:
....albeit few 50 year olds eat coco pops..
Point of order.... wasn't it FH who was enjoying a bowl of coco pops, rather than Horner?I'll just take your word for it
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