Christian Horner
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As mentioned earlier there are reports that certain senior types at RBR have clauses in their contracts to allow them to leave, presumably without very long gardening leave periods, should CH depart. So would the wife beater really be colluding with the one eyed Austrian to oust CH just so Max can renegotiate his contract and / or the Austrians be able to challenge CH now the Mateschitz veto is no more? If so pugnacious little Jos is hardly showing himself to be a boardroom genius with his modus operandi, more a useful idiot.
Whether CH is popular or not in the team and F1 in general he has built RBR into a very successful operation and I would imagine he is going to fight to remain in control rather than have his authority diluted, rightly so in my insignificant opinion. Otherwise he'll likely end up in the No Authority Gauntlet (NAG).
Wonder what Bernie would have done, we need a quote!
Whether CH is popular or not in the team and F1 in general he has built RBR into a very successful operation and I would imagine he is going to fight to remain in control rather than have his authority diluted, rightly so in my insignificant opinion. Otherwise he'll likely end up in the No Authority Gauntlet (NAG).
Wonder what Bernie would have done, we need a quote!
Tim the pool man said:
IMO the most odious person in this entire saga is JV. F1 will lose nothing if he disappears, and seems like a lot of people agree. Perhaps MBS is encouraging MV to show support to CH and distance himself from JVs comments and interference?
I am not sure this is true.Jos is indeed odious, but I think you are confusing what he has done in the past with what he is doing here.
Here, he’s trying to use Horner’s unacceptable behaviour for his own political capital.
I do not think that can be as odious as the behaviour that Horner clearly indulged in - basically pestering a female subordinate employee for sexual favours.
Leithen said:
Byker28i said:
TheDeuce said:
I see your point, and it's always been obvious it's a carefully curated set of messages that has been shared.
Except that if there other messages that proved Horney's innocence then why didn't he come out with them when the initial drop and storm happened. Would have been easy to disprove everything then, whilst simply admitting to a brief fling.Rather than "it's always been obvious it's a carefully curated set of messages that has been shared." and the continuous attempts to excuse Horney, it's really the case that there isn't anymore evidence... One was expecting something to come out to excuse Horneys behaviour, s but nothing
RB, RB Racing, Horney thought they could just brush it all under the carpet and still seem to be trying to do the same.
Then throw in the leak of the the messages and images, which quite possibly contain a mixture of genuine and fake, and however much you like or dislike Horner, he's never going to come out and try and defend any of this.
Instead this will be resolved at some point between Thailand and Austria. At which point everyone including Horner will do exactly what they are told.
Horny now though will always have that stigma of being a sex pest.
Now how do we get to play the RB music in the garage after they win? Play a little Mousse T
Byker28i said:
Surely it's the constantly changing story.
It was supposed to be about Horny's aggressive management style - that turned out to be a lie
The we found out Horny offered £650k and an NDA to keep her quiet
Then that RB found no evidence to support the claims against Horny
Then the evidence dropped, showing they'd been trying to downplay and manage it all along...
Horny's protected for the moment, they want him in the position, so he won't be going anywhere. Very embarrassing for him though, and for RB and their reputation. It rather looks like they'd do anything to protect that
Calm down. It was supposed to be about Horny's aggressive management style - that turned out to be a lie
The we found out Horny offered £650k and an NDA to keep her quiet
Then that RB found no evidence to support the claims against Horny
Then the evidence dropped, showing they'd been trying to downplay and manage it all along...
Horny's protected for the moment, they want him in the position, so he won't be going anywhere. Very embarrassing for him though, and for RB and their reputation. It rather looks like they'd do anything to protect that
Where’s the proof an NDA was offered and declined? Where’s the proof she turned down £650k?
RiseUp said:
Byker28i said:
Surely it's the constantly changing story.
It was supposed to be about Horny's aggressive management style - that turned out to be a lie
The we found out Horny offered £650k and an NDA to keep her quiet
Then that RB found no evidence to support the claims against Horny
Then the evidence dropped, showing they'd been trying to downplay and manage it all along...
Horny's protected for the moment, they want him in the position, so he won't be going anywhere. Very embarrassing for him though, and for RB and their reputation. It rather looks like they'd do anything to protect that
Calm down. It was supposed to be about Horny's aggressive management style - that turned out to be a lie
The we found out Horny offered £650k and an NDA to keep her quiet
Then that RB found no evidence to support the claims against Horny
Then the evidence dropped, showing they'd been trying to downplay and manage it all along...
Horny's protected for the moment, they want him in the position, so he won't be going anywhere. Very embarrassing for him though, and for RB and their reputation. It rather looks like they'd do anything to protect that
Where’s the proof an NDA was offered and declined? Where’s the proof she turned down £650k?
ksRiseUp said:
Byker28i said:
Surely it's the constantly changing story.
It was supposed to be about Horny's aggressive management style - that turned out to be a lie
The we found out Horny offered £650k and an NDA to keep her quiet
Then that RB found no evidence to support the claims against Horny
Then the evidence dropped, showing they'd been trying to downplay and manage it all along...
Horny's protected for the moment, they want him in the position, so he won't be going anywhere. Very embarrassing for him though, and for RB and their reputation. It rather looks like they'd do anything to protect that
Calm down. It was supposed to be about Horny's aggressive management style - that turned out to be a lie
The we found out Horny offered £650k and an NDA to keep her quiet
Then that RB found no evidence to support the claims against Horny
Then the evidence dropped, showing they'd been trying to downplay and manage it all along...
Horny's protected for the moment, they want him in the position, so he won't be going anywhere. Very embarrassing for him though, and for RB and their reputation. It rather looks like they'd do anything to protect that
Where’s the proof an NDA was offered and declined? Where’s the proof she turned down £650k?
Wheres the proof of anything here as all there is in the public domain is misdirection, lies and then the dump of messages
https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-christian-horn...
nickfrog said:
Purosangue said:
Art Keller said:
Purosangue said:
Never under estimate the power of alcohol
i look great in these jeans
RiseUp said:
Calm down.
Where’s the proof an NDA was offered and declined? Where’s the proof she turned down £650k?
There is a lot of that happening on the thread, that poster is pretty good at it, likes to create "facts" and then get all worked up about it. Where’s the proof an NDA was offered and declined? Where’s the proof she turned down £650k?
When it's just a sordid little tail of two friends with benefits gone wrong with added spice as someone else was also enjoying their company and it's spilled out all over the paddock, that they have run into the arms of a proven domestic abuser tells you all you need to know.
But Horner is guilty of being a bloody fool.
Byker28i said:
Except that if there other messages that proved Horney's innocence then why didn't he come out with them when the initial drop and storm happened. Would have been easy to disprove everything then, whilst simply admitting to a brief fling.
Rather than "it's always been obvious it's a carefully curated set of messages that has been shared." and the continuous attempts to excuse Horney, it's really the case that there isn't anymore evidence... One was expecting something to come out to excuse Horneys behaviour, s but nothing
RB, RB Racing, Horney thought they could just brush it all under the carpet and still seem to be trying to do the same.
Because, as the screen shots show, he deleted the conversation from his side well before the complaint was raised. Rather unfortunate for him as I suspect there were plenty of messages showing it was two way and consensual for a lot of it.Rather than "it's always been obvious it's a carefully curated set of messages that has been shared." and the continuous attempts to excuse Horney, it's really the case that there isn't anymore evidence... One was expecting something to come out to excuse Horneys behaviour, s but nothing
RB, RB Racing, Horney thought they could just brush it all under the carpet and still seem to be trying to do the same.
Purosangue said:
Art Keller said:
Purosangue said:
Never under estimate the power of alcoholDo better.
mjb1 said:
Because, as the screen shots show, he deleted the conversation from his side well before the complaint was raised. Rather unfortunate for him as I suspect there were plenty of messages showing it was two way and consensual for a lot of it.
Not sure I see the logic there. He keeps some of the more unsavoury and pestering comments he makes, but deletes all his exculpatory ones?Looks like Max has given his father a talking to:
“In correspondence with The Times, Verstappen Sr did not respond to the question of whether he was speaking for his son but he suggested Red Bull had no hold over him or who he spoke to…
When approached by The Times about his opposition to Horner on Sunday, Jos said: “It is better to stay quiet now. The most important [thing] is that Max has a good car and team around him and that all this doesn’t affect him too much.”
“In correspondence with The Times, Verstappen Sr did not respond to the question of whether he was speaking for his son but he suggested Red Bull had no hold over him or who he spoke to…
When approached by The Times about his opposition to Horner on Sunday, Jos said: “It is better to stay quiet now. The most important [thing] is that Max has a good car and team around him and that all this doesn’t affect him too much.”
Purosangue said:
The irony on this of all threads. Everyone up in arms about controlling behaviour towards women, but this is acceptable?honda_exige said:
Looks like Max has given his father a talking to:
“In correspondence with The Times, Verstappen Sr did not respond to the question of whether he was speaking for his son but he suggested Red Bull had no hold over him or who he spoke to…
When approached by The Times about his opposition to Horner on Sunday, Jos said: “It is better to stay quiet now. The most important [thing] is that Max has a good car and team around him and that all this doesn’t affect him too much.”
lets be honest the best thing for Max is if Jos stays away anyway “In correspondence with The Times, Verstappen Sr did not respond to the question of whether he was speaking for his son but he suggested Red Bull had no hold over him or who he spoke to…
When approached by The Times about his opposition to Horner on Sunday, Jos said: “It is better to stay quiet now. The most important [thing] is that Max has a good car and team around him and that all this doesn’t affect him too much.”
Wills2 said:
RiseUp said:
Calm down.
Where’s the proof an NDA was offered and declined? Where’s the proof she turned down £650k?
There is a lot of that happening on the thread, that poster is pretty good at it, likes to create "facts" and then get all worked up about it. Where’s the proof an NDA was offered and declined? Where’s the proof she turned down £650k?
When it's just a sordid little tail of two friends with benefits gone wrong with added spice as someone else was also enjoying their company and it's spilled out all over the paddock, that they have run into the arms of a proven domestic abuser tells you all you need to know.
But Horner is guilty of being a bloody fool.
As for being fools, it appears so have RB, in trying to gloss it over? No sure either I'd say there wasn't anything in it, other PH HR experts have said it wouldn't be tolerated.
But as said - it's all finished now, it appears no-ones prepared to take it any further
From the art thread
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 4th March 09:39
PlywoodPascal said:
It’s weird how the discussion has veered away from the (in my view) most scandalous development yet - that the president of the FIA asked Max Verstappen to publicly back CHristian Horner.
- why would the FIA president intervene in an internal team matter?
- why would he wish to reinforce the position of someone who did what Horner has done?
- in what world is it appropriate for the FIA president to support competitors like this?
Indeed, I rather think it deserves a thread of it's own. The FIA wants more females involved and here we see this conduct !! - why would the FIA president intervene in an internal team matter?
- why would he wish to reinforce the position of someone who did what Horner has done?
- in what world is it appropriate for the FIA president to support competitors like this?
I mean, should we expect more from the FIA given 2021 - but that also brings into play their conduct there too and may explain a little more.
PlywoodPascal said:
I am not sure this is true.
Jos is indeed odious, but I think you are confusing what he has done in the past with what he is doing here.
Here, he’s trying to use Horner’s unacceptable behaviour for his own political capital.
I do not think that can be as odious as the behaviour that Horner clearly indulged in - basically pestering a female subordinate employee for sexual favours.
Come on, just look at the WhatsApp print screens (assuming they are not fake), the female was not only very engaging in the conversation but also was pretty much enjoying it! Jos is indeed odious, but I think you are confusing what he has done in the past with what he is doing here.
Here, he’s trying to use Horner’s unacceptable behaviour for his own political capital.
I do not think that can be as odious as the behaviour that Horner clearly indulged in - basically pestering a female subordinate employee for sexual favours.
The only fault here is Horner cheating on her wife and the person who released a private conversation to the public.
Edited by Kart16 on Monday 4th March 09:46
Jasandjules said:
Indeed, I rather think it deserves a thread of it's own. The FIA wants more females involved and here we see this conduct !!
I mean, should we expect more from the FIA given 2021 - but that also brings into play their conduct there too and may explain a little more.
The FIA don't want more women involved, and the misogynistic prick MBS certainly doesn't. I mean, should we expect more from the FIA given 2021 - but that also brings into play their conduct there too and may explain a little more.
Liberty media want to maximise the income and the female $ is worth chasing.
The teams also want the best people, and that is becoming a higher % female because they are entering it as a career choice more often than they used to do.
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