Christian Horner
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TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Hilarious as it would be for JV to somehow make Max leave Redbull (Horner would then possibly be crushed by the stampede of other drivers wanting the seat) JV should be nowhere near the pit lane for various reasons, not least of which is that he is an utter scumbag.
Perhaps JV actually believes that it is Max's god given talent that makes him so fast and nothing to do with the car and that other teams would be queuing up for his signature?
As others have said, there are at least half a dozen drivers that would win the WDC in that car (Lewis, Lando, George, Charles, Carlos, Fernando, Danny Rik) Christ - if Redbull were to run only one car, Checo would win the WDC!
Maybe it is just a ruse to get Max a bigger payday, or maybe JV really has lost his mind over a woman and is about to destroy Max's career? Stay tuned folks!
Max has a “god given talent” since he was in karting. Perhaps JV actually believes that it is Max's god given talent that makes him so fast and nothing to do with the car and that other teams would be queuing up for his signature?
As others have said, there are at least half a dozen drivers that would win the WDC in that car (Lewis, Lando, George, Charles, Carlos, Fernando, Danny Rik) Christ - if Redbull were to run only one car, Checo would win the WDC!
Maybe it is just a ruse to get Max a bigger payday, or maybe JV really has lost his mind over a woman and is about to destroy Max's career? Stay tuned folks!
GT9 said:
We've all seen the messages, 50 pages ago.
Some people are tripping over themselves to claim them as irrefutable proof of criminality.
Some aren't.
Moving on.
I think we’ve only had one employment lawyer commenting on them though, and their opinion is it looks to be shaky ground for Horner. Some people are tripping over themselves to claim them as irrefutable proof of criminality.
Some aren't.
Moving on.
Kart16 said:
Come on, just look at the WhatsApp print screens (assuming they are not fake), the female was not only very engaging in the conversation but also was pretty much enjoying it!
The only fault here is Horner cheating on her wife and the person who released a private conversation to the public.
No means no? Unless you’re a RB fan it seems. Then past yes’s mean no = yes forever? The only fault here is Horner cheating on her wife and the person who released a private conversation to the public.
Edited by Kart16 on Monday 4th March 09:46
GT9 said:
Is it really necessary to keep posting these links and marking her out of 10?
FFS, this is exactly the sort of behaviour that anyone who finds distaste in this whole episode should be condemning.
The misogyny on pistonheads always makes a loud and proud appearance the moment a woman is involved in the topic.FFS, this is exactly the sort of behaviour that anyone who finds distaste in this whole episode should be condemning.
MrBig said:
Purosangue said:
The irony on this of all threads. Everyone up in arms about controlling behaviour towards women, but this is acceptable?Kart16 said:
Come on, just look at the WhatsApp print screens (assuming they are not fake), the female was not only very engaging in the conversation but also was pretty much enjoying it!
The only fault here is Horner cheating on her wife and the person who released a private conversation to the public.
& stop means stopThe only fault here is Horner cheating on her wife and the person who released a private conversation to the public.
& stop means, you dont take umbrage & start making my job more difficult
& stop means you dont start making my job more difficult, to the point you think i should take another 'option'
there is only one person in those messages who seems to be struggling with maintaining a working relationship & a professional one, regardless of their previous- to the point that the other party feels uncomfortable enough to start snapshotting their convo's to cover their arse because they fear you're going to be a
to themmjb1 said:
Because, as the screen shots show, he deleted the conversation from his side well before the complaint was raised. Rather unfortunate for him as I suspect there were plenty of messages showing it was two way and consensual for a lot of it.
Question regarding the last senescence of this post.Does having once consented to something mean you can never later refuse consent, and does it justify others persistently continuing to request consent in light of refusal of it?
I would say no. Hence the fact that ‘a lot of it’ may have been consensual is literally an irrelevance once some of it is not.
Kart16 said:
PlywoodPascal said:
I am not sure this is true.
Jos is indeed odious, but I think you are confusing what he has done in the past with what he is doing here.
Here, he’s trying to use Horner’s unacceptable behaviour for his own political capital.
I do not think that can be as odious as the behaviour that Horner clearly indulged in - basically pestering a female subordinate employee for sexual favours.
Come on, just look at the WhatsApp print screens (assuming they are not fake), the female was not only very engaging in the conversation but also was pretty much enjoying it! Jos is indeed odious, but I think you are confusing what he has done in the past with what he is doing here.
Here, he’s trying to use Horner’s unacceptable behaviour for his own political capital.
I do not think that can be as odious as the behaviour that Horner clearly indulged in - basically pestering a female subordinate employee for sexual favours.
The only fault here is Horner cheating on her wife and the person who released a private conversation to the public.
Edited by Kart16 on Monday 4th March 09:46
CH - I have a lot going on and sometimes it can be overwhelming and I'm not very good at showing emotions
Female - Yes you have been more respectful and I appreciate that, thank you. Sometimes you just get carried away again with the comments and I have to stop it.
CH - OK do you want me to stop, if you do I will
Female - Yes I do.
CH - and that's when I think you're judging me - but that's OK
Female - It's very flattering that you find me attractive and like me but if your happy then it's just wrong.
Doesn't sound like she's enjoying it to me........
Kart16 said:
Come on, just look at the WhatsApp print screens (assuming they are not fake), the female was not only very engaging in the conversation but also was pretty much enjoying it!
The only fault here is Horner cheating on her wife and the person who released a private conversation to the public.
The only fault here is Horner cheating on her wife and the person who released a private conversation to the public.
Kart16 said:
Max has a “god given talent” since he was in karting.
A bit like your god-given talent for posting poorly thought out nonsense I suppose. NRS said:
GT9 said:
We've all seen the messages, 50 pages ago.
Some people are tripping over themselves to claim them as irrefutable proof of criminality.
Some aren't.
Moving on.
I think we’ve only had one employment lawyer commenting on them though, and their opinion is it looks to be shaky ground for Horner. Some people are tripping over themselves to claim them as irrefutable proof of criminality.
Some aren't.
Moving on.
Now I feel very sorry for Hamda Al Qubaisi, the 21-year-old Emirati Red Bull Racing driver in the F1 Academy race this weekend.
She’s going to spend half her weekend fielding some rather horrible questions about both boss Horner and compratriot ben Sulayem, rather than talkng about the big new showcase event for women in motorsport.
She’s going to spend half her weekend fielding some rather horrible questions about both boss Horner and compratriot ben Sulayem, rather than talkng about the big new showcase event for women in motorsport.
NRS said:
GT9 said:
We've all seen the messages, 50 pages ago.
Some people are tripping over themselves to claim them as irrefutable proof of criminality.
Some aren't.
Moving on.
I think we’ve only had one employment lawyer commenting on them though, and their opinion is it looks to be shaky ground for Horner. Some people are tripping over themselves to claim them as irrefutable proof of criminality.
Some aren't.
Moving on.
NRS said:
Kart16 said:
Come on, just look at the WhatsApp print screens (assuming they are not fake), the female was not only very engaging in the conversation but also was pretty much enjoying it!
The only fault here is Horner cheating on her wife and the person who released a private conversation to the public.
No means no? Unless you’re a RB fan it seems. Then past yes’s mean no = yes forever? The only fault here is Horner cheating on her wife and the person who released a private conversation to the public.
Edited by Kart16 on Monday 4th March 09:46
4.7AMV8 said:
The thing I don’t get is screenshots were being taken when CH was typing and some of the dates were from 2021. As others have said, she is hardly the little girl simp, not if she has “survived” in F1 industry so long. I think she saved them for a break glass in emergency moment. Moving on she gets involved with JV and over a race weekend Premier Inn mixed grill JV mentions “if only someone had something on Horner”!
She pulls out here non RBR issued IPhone 19 and viola!
Given the dates it is more plausible that the weekend wristing was dying off at the point those messages were sent and the actions that have given rise to the grievance have occurred since, none of which has found its way into the public domain. She pulls out here non RBR issued IPhone 19 and viola!
It could be as simple as the PA feeling sidelined in her employment since and CH's reasoning being nothing more than not wanting corporate information flowing into the head of an employee's father who has little contractual obligation to behave appropriately with such information. Ie, both could have fair grounds for their personal perspectives, as is often the case with these fiascos and why the more senior individual is generally the bloody fool for permitting it to arise in the first instance. Both can legitimately argue that they have done nothing erroneous which would lead to a higher power needing to decide.
This is most likely where CH has been at fault as he would naturally be deemed to have been the one who should have known better, even if the junior employee did all the legwork or even if it was done to explicitly further the career.
Tim the pool man said:
if our interactions were recorded and then selectively quoted I could have been seen to be a "pest" (fortunately for me this didn't happen in a 4 year on again/off again relationship)
then the simplest solution would be show everyone who thought you were a pest, your complete & unselective messagesi would hazard a guess CH will not be doing the above
Sandpit Steve said:
Now I feel very sorry for Hamda Al Qubaisi, the 21-year-old Emirati Red Bull Racing driver in the F1 Academy race this weekend.
She’s going to spend half her weekend fielding some rather horrible questions about both boss Horner and compratriot ben Sulayem, rather than talkng about the big new showcase event for women in motorsport.
Yes but if she has a good agent who can brief her on how to correctly handle the profile increase then it can be used to her benefit. She’s going to spend half her weekend fielding some rather horrible questions about both boss Horner and compratriot ben Sulayem, rather than talkng about the big new showcase event for women in motorsport.
DonkeyApple said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Now I feel very sorry for Hamda Al Qubaisi, the 21-year-old Emirati Red Bull Racing driver in the F1 Academy race this weekend.
She’s going to spend half her weekend fielding some rather horrible questions about both boss Horner and compratriot ben Sulayem, rather than talkng about the big new showcase event for women in motorsport.
Yes but if she has a good agent who can brief her on how to correctly handle the profile increase then it can be used to her benefit. She’s going to spend half her weekend fielding some rather horrible questions about both boss Horner and compratriot ben Sulayem, rather than talkng about the big new showcase event for women in motorsport.
Forester1965 said:
Not sure I see the logic there. He keeps some of the more unsavoury and pestering comments he makes, but deletes all his exculpatory ones?
No, he clearly deleted the entire conversation history.l, just ask her asked her too. He even sends her a screenshot shot to prove that he has. Once she knew he'd got none of her messages to use in his defence she knew she was on the home straight.anonymous_user said:
then the simplest solution would be show everyone who thought you were a pest, your complete & unselective messages
i would hazard a guess CH will not be doing the above
CH knew he had compromised himself, which is why he was begging her to delete the messages.i would hazard a guess CH will not be doing the above
He foolishly deleted at least some of the messages on his own account. I say foolishly if it were to help his defence.
Not that it matters, he has hung himself, if he wasn't in such a strong position with the backing of the Thai majority owner he would already be gone.
Based on the wording of the PR, there were interviews carried out with other parties during the investigation. It’s highly likely to have been an obvious affair to other staff members at Milton Keynes and at the race events. It's also highly likely the woman confided in her colleagues when it turned sour.
NRS said:
No means no? Unless you’re a RB fan it seems. Then past yes’s mean no = yes forever?
What “no”? Those print screens were from many many weeks of conversations and in one instance she even suggests she could go to his hotel room!!! In the dialogues it’s clear that she was fully engaged and enjoying it, or at least was pretending so she could plot against Horner.
Edited by Kart16 on Monday 4th March 11:02
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