The Official 2015 Monaco Grand Prix thread **SPOILERS**

[007 VXR]

Gary C said:

ash73 said:

deadslow said:

LH: "You rely on the team and I saw a screen and it looked like the team was out," said Hamilton.

"I thought the guys behind were pitting so when the team said stay out, I said these tyres would drop in temps and what I was concerned they were on options – so with that thinking I came in with the full confidence that the others had done the same."

Sounds like it was Lewis' call and Nico won on merit.

Lol, funny.

Merc have already said it was there fault and they are sorry!!

[anonymous-user]

Crafty_ said:

REALIST123 said:

Hindsight's a wonderful thing isn't it?

How do you know they didn't say that, or words to that effect? As Lewis says, the team did tell him to stay out.

Wasn't hindsight. I said it as soon as they were in the pitlane. No need to stop.

fks sake, even Damon and Johnny on Sky knew it was wrong.

Are you seriously telling me that you think stopping a car thats led the entire race, with his team mate behind him and the 3rd place guy behind him who has been slower than both cars all race with 11 laps left really justifies a pit stop ?

Not a chance in hell.

If Vettel had stopped he'd be 20 odd seconds down the road, how would he make that up, around Monaco in 10 laps just to get to Nico, let alone pass Nico and then challenge Lewis for the lead ?

Unless you've dropped a few counters off your abacus it simply didn't add it - then or now.

Besides, Toto defended it saying that Vettel might have stopped (which is no defence at all as per above) they miscalculated the gap, they thought they had 3 seconds, but actually only had 1.8. He said the question was should they have decided to stop with a gap of 3 seconds?

The answer to which was, and still is no. its not rocket science.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 24th May 17:17

I took your post to mean that the team should have been more positive in stopping Lewis making the wrong decision, which we now, in hindsight, know they should. We all believed the decision itself was wrong, that hardly needs clarification or comment.

Though I do wonder why you keep saying 'they' when it seems pretty clear now that it was Lewis who initiated and called it, which does rather highlight the 'wisdom' of Herbert and Hill who both said that these decisions should be made by the drivers.

Interesting that Lewis has said that he was worried that Vettel on fresh tyres would be a threat to him, which is why he changed and a few laps later him saying it was impossible to overtake. Surely he should have known that in the first place and could have made the right choice?

[996TT_STEVO]

More drama here on this thread than the race

[anonymous-user]

REALIST123 said:

Hindsight's a wonderful thing isn't it?

This is totally different - hindsight is not required when your head strategist calculates the gap incorrectly by almost 4 seconds.

I would agree under the normal circumstances of a "mistake" in the strategy, because that is normally the best decision made with correct information.

[monamimate]

Doink said:

monamimate said:

Joint interview on RTL with Vettel and Rosberg...

For the haters:

Rosberg has AGAIN said he was lucky, that Lewis deserved to win and that Lewis was the best all week-end, but that, of course, he's super happy to come away with a win.

Can we close the silly moaning about him now?

I'd call it being patronising, its like in the FA cup final when you get a deflected goal in the 90th minute and the winning players console the losers on the pitch and say 'we were lucky', 'we didn't deserve it'...blah blah blah yeah right, its so easy when you've just won

So basically, he's damned if he does, damned if etc... Jeez, what did you expect the man to do?

[anonymous-user]

Verstappen 5 place grid penalty for the next race

[AreOut]

LH had the right to reject pit call no? I think Button would do it in this situation and take responsibility.

samvia said:

I just can't understand the reasoning behind pulling him in. It's not like they've never raced at Monaco before, they know track position is king there. Look at Vettel a few years ago on knackered tyres, yet nobody could get past.

Bonkers.

I think the teams nowadays rely heavily on computer models that don't take "overtakeability" into account(or not enough apparently), just calculate tire wear, laps and few other factors.

Edited by AreOut on Sunday 24th May 18:13

[Athlon]

Speaking of J.B. 4 points today and a solid drive to 8th place gets Mclaren off the mark so well done to him!

[Petrus1983]

tux said:

Verstappen 5 place grid penalty for the next race

Despite finding the whole Hamilton incident very annoying I also don't agree with this - he was in a racing accident, it cost him dearly - why carry it on to the next race too??

[RYH64E]

AreOut said:

LH had the right to reject pit call no? I think Button would do it in this situation and take responsibility.

You're missing the point, the team said stay out, it was Lewis' call to come in.

[Scuffers]

RYH64E said:

AreOut said:

LH had the right to reject pit call no? I think Button would do it in this situation and take responsibility.

You're missing the point, the team said stay out, it was Lewis' call to come in.

That's not what happened..

[Adrian W]

Petrus1983 said:

tux said:

Verstappen 5 place grid penalty for the next race

Despite finding the whole Hamilton incident very annoying I also don't agree with this - he was in a racing accident, it cost him dearly - why carry it on to the next race too??

Five points for trying to make the race interesting, how dare he

[ajprice]

Nico on BBC "I got massively lucky".

Captain obvious there.

[Dollyman1850]

Adrian W said:

Five points for trying to make the race interesting, how dare he

Proper racer…
I would like to see the trace from The frogs car??? Not saying a deliberate brake test but certainly an early lift…
I think it is a harsh penalty for Max.

N.

[Petrus1983]

Adrian W said:

Five points for trying to make the race interesting, how dare he

Amateur - he'll learn how to follow the car infront of him soon enough

[longshot]

Just in case there are any F1 team owners reading this, I'm more than happy for you to pay me a st load of money to make stupid decisions.
Let's just thank fk they don't make decisions about important things.

It's not as if they had a 50/50 chance of making the right decision.
Bringing him in when he didn't need to is on a new level of dumb.

[vonuber]

Why didn't Lewis just stay out?

[Butter Face]

Shame for Lewis, you can see how utterly gutted he is, but he took it very well IMO.

Better than I ever would tbh!!

[Eric Mc]

What a let down of a race. I've seen disappointing finishes but for your own team to sabotage and undermine all the good work you've done is just beyond comprehension.

[RYH64E]

Scuffers said:

RYH64E said:

AreOut said:

LH had the right to reject pit call no? I think Button would do it in this situation and take responsibility.

You're missing the point, the team said stay out, it was Lewis' call to come in.

That's not what happened..

It is according to what Lewis said the the press conference, the team said stay out, Lewis knew better.

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/51233/Hamilton...

Hamilton said:

Later in the post-race press conference the World Champion revealed that he believed both Rosberg and Vettel would also be pitting and to some degree exonerated Mercedes in the pitstop call.

He explained: "I thought the guys behind were pitting so when the team said stay out, I said these tyres would drop in temps and what I was concerned they were on options - so with that thinking I came in with the full confidence that the others had done the same.