The Official 2015 Monaco Grand Prix thread **SPOILERS**
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t race all the way through, perhaps apart from the start.RYH64E said:
Scuffers said:
RYH64E said:
AreOut said:
LH had the right to reject pit call no? I think Button would do it in this situation and take responsibility.
You're missing the point, the team said stay out, it was Lewis' call to come in.http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/51233/Hamilton...
Hamilton said:
Later in the post-race press conference the World Champion revealed that he believed both Rosberg and Vettel would also be pitting and to some degree exonerated Mercedes in the pitstop call.
He explained: "I thought the guys behind were pitting so when the team said stay out, I said these tyres would drop in temps and what I was concerned they were on options - so with that thinking I came in with the full confidence that the others had done the same.
He explained: "I thought the guys behind were pitting so when the team said stay out, I said these tyres would drop in temps and what I was concerned they were on options - so with that thinking I came in with the full confidence that the others had done the same.
It's in the tv coverage..
RYH64E said:
Scuffers said:
RYH64E said:
AreOut said:
LH had the right to reject pit call no? I think Button would do it in this situation and take responsibility.
You're missing the point, the team said stay out, it was Lewis' call to come in.http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/51233/Hamilton...
Hamilton said:
Later in the post-race press conference the World Champion revealed that he believed both Rosberg and Vettel would also be pitting and to some degree exonerated Mercedes in the pitstop call.
He explained: "I thought the guys behind were pitting so when the team said stay out, I said these tyres would drop in temps and what I was concerned they were on options - so with that thinking I came in with the full confidence that the others had done the same.
He explained: "I thought the guys behind were pitting so when the team said stay out, I said these tyres would drop in temps and what I was concerned they were on options - so with that thinking I came in with the full confidence that the others had done the same.
MondeoMan1981 said:
Simple mistake from Mercedes today. However it could have gone other way with Seb on fresh supersofts picking off the Mercs then folk would still be moaning.
Wrong call today could be correct call tomorrow and it seems Lewis knows it - but lots of over reacting fan bois !
If Seb had pitted he would have not rejoined in third, so it would have been advantageous for Merc if Seb had pitted...hence why he didn't.Wrong call today could be correct call tomorrow and it seems Lewis knows it - but lots of over reacting fan bois !
Race strategy seems to be merc's weakest link.
Clevers said:
That was no balls up.......it was called in for the benefit of the sport overall.
Lewis's lead to Rosberg and Vettel has now been cut in half........F1 could not afford Hamilton to open up a big gap too early in the season. Everyone would switch to another channel.
Sponsored by Bacofoil. Lewis's lead to Rosberg and Vettel has now been cut in half........F1 could not afford Hamilton to open up a big gap too early in the season. Everyone would switch to another channel.
/partridge
RYH64E said:
Scuffers said:
RYH64E said:
AreOut said:
LH had the right to reject pit call no? I think Button would do it in this situation and take responsibility.
You're missing the point, the team said stay out, it was Lewis' call to come in.http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/51233/Hamilton...
Hamilton said:
Later in the post-race press conference the World Champion revealed that he believed both Rosberg and Vettel would also be pitting and to some degree exonerated Mercedes in the pitstop call.
He explained: "I thought the guys behind were pitting so when the team said stay out, I said these tyres would drop in temps and what I was concerned they were on options - so with that thinking I came in with the full confidence that the others had done the same.
He explained: "I thought the guys behind were pitting so when the team said stay out, I said these tyres would drop in temps and what I was concerned they were on options - so with that thinking I came in with the full confidence that the others had done the same.
RYH64E said:
rscott said:
Nothing in that quote suggests Lewis asked to stop. It simply says that he was happy to come in because he thought the others were also stopping.
What about 'the team said stay out..'?Toto said:
It was our decision to call him in and our mistake, pure and simple; in these situations, a driver trusts his team.
DB9VolanteDriver said:
You are indeed missing the point. Lewis THOUGHT the others had stopped. It was the team's responsibility to tell him otherwise.
He was ahead wasn't he? How can he have thought they had stopped? Why didn't he just stay out on his own decision?
Also reading back pages 4 & 5 of this thread are most amusing - one error and the team who have given him a rocketship two years in a row are suddenly incompetent and should be sacked!
Speedy11 said:
RYH64E said:
rscott said:
Nothing in that quote suggests Lewis asked to stop. It simply says that he was happy to come in because he thought the others were also stopping.
What about 'the team said stay out..'?Toto said:
It was our decision to call him in and our mistake, pure and simple; in these situations, a driver trusts his team.
DB9VolanteDriver said:
You are indeed missing the point. Lewis THOUGHT the others had stopped. It was the team's responsibility to tell him otherwise.
Weren't the others behind him at that point? In the normal course of events they would stop after him not before, something a simple question would have determined.RYH64E said:
DB9VolanteDriver said:
You are indeed missing the point. Lewis THOUGHT the others had stopped. It was the team's responsibility to tell him otherwise.
Weren't the others behind him at that point? In the normal course of events they would stop after him not before, something a simple question would have determined.So Nikki, Toto and everyone else associated with the team has said it was their fault - they had miscalculated the gap - you still want to blame this one solely on Lewis?
I'm all for Lewis winning the WDC and hope that this will just be an annoying blip come the end of the season.
But, he does seem to have gained the upper hand with his race engineer and is definitely bossing the show.
I have no idea of precise exchanges that took place but he does seem to have been lobbying for a change because he thought he caught a glimpse of Rosberg in the pits from a screen. Someone should have stood up and said no 'mate' you've got the wrong end of the stick and you haven't got enough of a gap anyway. Stay out.
All this stuff about some poor sap making a mistake of 4 seconds in his calculations - it shouldn't have got as far as him; the whole idea was wrong.
But, he does seem to have gained the upper hand with his race engineer and is definitely bossing the show.
I have no idea of precise exchanges that took place but he does seem to have been lobbying for a change because he thought he caught a glimpse of Rosberg in the pits from a screen. Someone should have stood up and said no 'mate' you've got the wrong end of the stick and you haven't got enough of a gap anyway. Stay out.
All this stuff about some poor sap making a mistake of 4 seconds in his calculations - it shouldn't have got as far as him; the whole idea was wrong.
DuckAvenger said:
Speedy11 said:
RYH64E said:
rscott said:
Nothing in that quote suggests Lewis asked to stop. It simply says that he was happy to come in because he thought the others were also stopping.
What about 'the team said stay out..'?Toto said:
It was our decision to call him in and our mistake, pure and simple; in these situations, a driver trusts his team.
To avoid the tit for tat, here's an official release from Toto -
Toto Wolff:
"What a crazy day. I don’t think there has ever been a more bittersweet feeling than this one. We have won the Monaco Grand Prix and we have lost the Monaco Grand Prix all at the same time. First of all, we must apologise to Lewis Hamilton. We win and we lose together and what I am proud of in this team is that we take collective responsibility. But this is a day when we simply have to say sorry to our driver, because our mistake cost him the victory here. What happened? In simple terms, we got our numbers wrong. We thought we had the gap for Lewis to take fresh tyres and come back out in the lead behind the Safety Car, ahead of Nico and covering off any risk of another competitor taking fresh tyres. But the calculation was incorrect and he came out in third place. It was our decision to call him in and our mistake, pure and simple; in these situations, a driver trusts his team. Lewis had driven flawlessly until then and really delivered a perfect weekend, with a stunning pole lap and a masterful race. There’s nothing more to say other than to highlight the grace with which he handled the situation; he was a leader and a true sportsman this afternoon. As for Nico Rosberg, he didn’t put a foot wrong all day, and it would be wrong if we didn’t take the time to recognise his achievement: a third consecutive win in Monaco is something only three other drivers in history have achieved before. It is a very special moment indeed and one for him to savour. He didn’t have the pace of Lewis today but, in this sport, you take the victories any way they come. This, too, is motor racing. We now need to stay calm and analyse how we made the mistake this afternoon. We will be harshly self-critical behind closed doors and this experience will make us a better and a stronger team in the races ahead. There is still a very long way to go in this championship and today showed that we have the performance in our car to do the job this year"
Toto Wolff:
"What a crazy day. I don’t think there has ever been a more bittersweet feeling than this one. We have won the Monaco Grand Prix and we have lost the Monaco Grand Prix all at the same time. First of all, we must apologise to Lewis Hamilton. We win and we lose together and what I am proud of in this team is that we take collective responsibility. But this is a day when we simply have to say sorry to our driver, because our mistake cost him the victory here. What happened? In simple terms, we got our numbers wrong. We thought we had the gap for Lewis to take fresh tyres and come back out in the lead behind the Safety Car, ahead of Nico and covering off any risk of another competitor taking fresh tyres. But the calculation was incorrect and he came out in third place. It was our decision to call him in and our mistake, pure and simple; in these situations, a driver trusts his team. Lewis had driven flawlessly until then and really delivered a perfect weekend, with a stunning pole lap and a masterful race. There’s nothing more to say other than to highlight the grace with which he handled the situation; he was a leader and a true sportsman this afternoon. As for Nico Rosberg, he didn’t put a foot wrong all day, and it would be wrong if we didn’t take the time to recognise his achievement: a third consecutive win in Monaco is something only three other drivers in history have achieved before. It is a very special moment indeed and one for him to savour. He didn’t have the pace of Lewis today but, in this sport, you take the victories any way they come. This, too, is motor racing. We now need to stay calm and analyse how we made the mistake this afternoon. We will be harshly self-critical behind closed doors and this experience will make us a better and a stronger team in the races ahead. There is still a very long way to go in this championship and today showed that we have the performance in our car to do the job this year"
I doubt I'd have behaved as well as Lewis.
Nico makes it hard for people to like him.
All this three-consecutive-Monaco-wins is just nonsense. Statistics can be selected and make anyone look good. I've just noticed that Maldonado once won a race, and Brundle didn't. Who's the better driver.
Nico makes it hard for people to like him.
All this three-consecutive-Monaco-wins is just nonsense. Statistics can be selected and make anyone look good. I've just noticed that Maldonado once won a race, and Brundle didn't. Who's the better driver.
DB9VolanteDriver said:
RYH64E said:
Scuffers said:
RYH64E said:
AreOut said:
LH had the right to reject pit call no? I think Button would do it in this situation and take responsibility.
You're missing the point, the team said stay out, it was Lewis' call to come in.http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/51233/Hamilton...
Hamilton said:
Later in the post-race press conference the World Champion revealed that he believed both Rosberg and Vettel would also be pitting and to some degree exonerated Mercedes in the pitstop call.
He explained: "I thought the guys behind were pitting so when the team said stay out, I said these tyres would drop in temps and what I was concerned they were on options - so with that thinking I came in with the full confidence that the others had done the same.
He explained: "I thought the guys behind were pitting so when the team said stay out, I said these tyres would drop in temps and what I was concerned they were on options - so with that thinking I came in with the full confidence that the others had done the same.
I prefer to go by Wolff's explanation. I accept that LH could over-rule, but, as he said . . . but then why bother saying it.
Merc cocked it up. LH took it quite well in public. I doubt he was as calm in the debrief.
I miss the old LH, speaking off the cuff, letting us know exactly what he felt. Mind you, not that we have much to guess here.
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