Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers

Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers

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PanicBuyingBogRoll

1,936 posts

63 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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Mercedes have simply raised the bar on how to run an F1 team, and shouldn't be criticised for doing so.

It is down to the other teams to catch up. Redbull and Ferrari have the money to compete so there are no excuses.

Behind the 2 Mercedes looks super tight.

leef44

4,465 posts

154 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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JonChalk said:
What is it with the ongoing bullst about a protest against RP (even if it is only in Crofty's lowest-common-denominator-driven drivel)?

There is nothing to protest.

If other teams don't like the approach RP (and Haas) have taken within the rules, then they are free to leave the sport.

Boo-hoo: a team you've previously derided as a mid-to-low order team have done something right, technically, and now they're better than you. Suck it up, buttercup.
I guess the criticism is more about the philosophy of the sport. If the lower down innovative teams pull out then all you are left with is three top teams and everyone else just copies their last year's car.

F1 was meant to be about innovation. I found the DAS very exciting when it was first shown because it's rare nowadays to see that level of innovation in F1


kambites

67,657 posts

222 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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leef44 said:
I guess the criticism is more about the philosophy of the sport. If the lower down innovative teams pull out then all you are left with is three top teams and everyone else just copies their last year's car.
I suspect even Racing Point would agree that it's ridiculous that copying last year's title winning car is the best way for them to produce a competitive car this year, but it is what it is and it appears to be entirely within the rules. You can't really legislate against copying ideas from other teams, so the only way to solve the problem is to make budgets equal enough that even the small teams can produce a better car of their own than the previous year's winner.

jimPH

3,981 posts

81 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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I just get the feeling that DAS is directing attention away from bigger more important improvements.

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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I suppose the RP argument is that teams are supposed to create their own IP. This is muddied because teams can buy items of the shelf from other teams, and more and more it makes sense to buy groups of parts (engine, then gearbox to match, then rear suspension pickups tend to be fixed, then aerodynamics need to take into account suspension locations and philosophy, and so on).

If you measured the surfaces of the RP no doubt they'd be different to the 2019 Mercedes, so although it's a close copy, it's not a straight carry-over of that car.

Teams only tend to moan about these things when they're behind the copier, unsurprisingly.

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

159 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I suppose the RP argument is that teams are supposed to create their own IP. This is muddied because teams can buy items of the shelf from other teams, and more and more it makes sense to buy groups of parts (engine, then gearbox to match, then rear suspension pickups tend to be fixed, then aerodynamics need to take into account suspension locations and philosophy, and so on).

If you measured the surfaces of the RP no doubt they'd be different to the 2019 Mercedes, so although it's a close copy, it's not a straight carry-over of that car.

Teams only tend to moan about these things when they're behind the copier, unsurprisingly.
Unless they purchased their old molds biggrin

Stan the Bat

8,964 posts

213 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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Zoobeef said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I suppose the RP argument is that teams are supposed to create their own IP. This is muddied because teams can buy items of the shelf from other teams, and more and more it makes sense to buy groups of parts (engine, then gearbox to match, then rear suspension pickups tend to be fixed, then aerodynamics need to take into account suspension locations and philosophy, and so on).

If you measured the surfaces of the RP no doubt they'd be different to the 2019 Mercedes, so although it's a close copy, it's not a straight carry-over of that car.

Teams only tend to moan about these things when they're behind the copier, unsurprisingly.
Unless they purchased their old molds biggrin
There's not mushroom inside. wink

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

159 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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Stan the Bat said:
Zoobeef said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I suppose the RP argument is that teams are supposed to create their own IP. This is muddied because teams can buy items of the shelf from other teams, and more and more it makes sense to buy groups of parts (engine, then gearbox to match, then rear suspension pickups tend to be fixed, then aerodynamics need to take into account suspension locations and philosophy, and so on).

If you measured the surfaces of the RP no doubt they'd be different to the 2019 Mercedes, so although it's a close copy, it's not a straight carry-over of that car.

Teams only tend to moan about these things when they're behind the copier, unsurprisingly.
Unless they purchased their old molds biggrin
There's not mushroom inside. wink
biggrin
Heres the missing -----> U

rdjohn

6,231 posts

196 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I suppose the RP argument is that teams are supposed to create their own IP. This is muddied because teams can buy items of the shelf from other teams, and more and more it makes sense to buy groups of parts (engine, then gearbox to match, then rear suspension pickups tend to be fixed, then aerodynamics need to take into account suspension locations and philosophy, and so on).

If you measured the surfaces of the RP no doubt they'd be different to the 2019 Mercedes, so although it's a close copy, it's not a straight carry-over of that car.

Teams only tend to moan about these things when they're behind the copier, unsurprisingly.
I would hazard a guess that it is only the visible surfaces that are very similar. I imagine that the packaging and undersurfaces are somewhat different and are fully RP’s IP.

The problem is that idiots like Croft, can see the bleeding obvious and then set about creating a conspiracy theory to keep himself and SKY in the spotlight.

kambites

67,657 posts

222 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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Ah bugger. 25 minutes before qualifying, a big thunderstorm hits and the power goes off.

A205GTI

750 posts

167 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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Why are the sky presenter wearing masks outside with no one around?

Is it to show we are in this together?

And cheap ones at that!

FourWheelDrift

88,670 posts

285 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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A205GTI said:
Why are the sky presenter wearing masks outside with no one around?

Is it to show we are in this together?

And cheap ones at that!
FIA ruled it mandatory to wear them at all times at the circuit.

dtrump

2,121 posts

192 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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Imagining Ted spying from across the track with his little telescope biglaugh

TheBALDpuma

5,851 posts

169 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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Viewing question... I've got now TV with the sports pan for a bit, so I can watch the race live tomorrow. But I'm not going to be in - do they Replay the full race? Or is it on catch up through now tv? I'm new to this, sorry! I can't record it through now TV unfortunately.

kambites

67,657 posts

222 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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Well there's our first indication of where Williams are. A tenth off Alfa isn't bad.

skeggysteve

5,724 posts

218 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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TheBALDpuma said:
Viewing question...
Sky Sports schedule:

https://www.skysports.com/watch/tv-guide

JonChalk

6,469 posts

111 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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kambites said:
Well there's our first indication of where Williams are. A tenth off Alfa isn't bad.
That's a pretty good time from Russell & on his second go round on those tyres.

FourWheelDrift

88,670 posts

285 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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Norris purple in sector 1, just 0.06 off in sector 2 then pits. Confidence or no fuel to finish the lap and do one more coming in.

kambites

67,657 posts

222 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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What happened to Hamilton's lap?

JonChalk

6,469 posts

111 months

Saturday 4th July 2020
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FourWheelDrift said:
Norris purple in sector 1, just 0.06 off in sector 2 then pits. Confidence or no fuel to finish the lap and do one more coming in.
..or made a mistake in 3rd sector?