Official 2021 Saudi Arabia Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[anonymous-user]

TheDeuce said:

I didn't see and don't recall any mention of double yellows

Although I was drinking and decorating a Christmas tree at the time ...

Excellent multi tasking, don't spill any.

[djgritt]

Hamilton also being summoned for impeding Mazepin as well… double whammy.

[Dingu]

TheDeuce said:

I didn't see and don't recall any mention of double yellows

Although I was drinking and decorating a Christmas tree at the time ...

I’m struggling to find it too. Hopefully someone will be along soon to help us

[TheDeuce]

Adrian W said:

If they dish out penalties it proves that this track isn’t fit for purpose, if someone dies die in the race do the FIA get done for manslaughter

Nope. Each driver signs up to the risks ahead of each race. They can also refuse to race... So long as they have that option and they know the rules and risks ahead of each session, it's ultimately on their head.

[Petrus1983]

In fairness he did say if it was upto him he wouldn’t race there. Maybe a disqualification would suit him.

[kambites]

A penalty for impeding would be harsh IMO given that there were no blue flags but the ignoring double waved yellows is a slam dunk if he did it.

[Hungrymc]

What’s the odds of Merc doing something odd with tyre allocation through quali?
Sofits in the first session and hard in Q3 ?

[Adrian W]

TheDeuce said:

Adrian W said:

If they dish out penalties it proves that this track isn’t fit for purpose, if someone dies die in the race do the FIA get done for manslaughter

Nope. Each driver signs up to the risks ahead of each race. They can also refuse to race... So long as they have that option and they know the rules and risks ahead of each session, it's ultimately on their head.

Could you ever imagine one driver refusing to drive

[anonymous-user]

TheDeuce said:

Nope. Each driver signs up to the risks ahead of each race. They can also refuse to race... So long as they have that option and they know the rules and risks ahead of each session, it's ultimately on their head.

That depends on the law in the country they are racing. You can be prosecuted for manslaughter in some countries just from putting a car on track that a driver dies in, Italy for example is the obvious one. Any position of authority is open to prosecution if the legal system deems you potentially culpable.

[TheDeuce]

Adrian W said:

TheDeuce said:

Adrian W said:

If they dish out penalties it proves that this track isn’t fit for purpose, if someone dies die in the race do the FIA get done for manslaughter

Nope. Each driver signs up to the risks ahead of each race. They can also refuse to race... So long as they have that option and they know the rules and risks ahead of each session, it's ultimately on their head.

Could you ever imagine one driver refusing to drive

It's only happened a handful of times - at least when it was solely a driver decision.

I fully expect everyone will race. Just pointing out that it's ultimately their decision - even though there are endless high pressure reasons to never make such a decision.

[anonymous-user]

Petrus1983 said:

Just has to be a grid penalty unfortunately for Lewis. Max had a five-place grid penalty in Qatar for ignoring double waved yellows. And IMO ignoring double waved yellows is far worse than a funny wing etc.

Agreed, if he did ignore double waved yellows then surely he has to be given a five place grid penalty like Max received?

I thought this was going to be a boring processional race, it may just get interesting soon depending on the verdict.

[paulguitar]

Petrus1983 said:

In fairness he did say if it was upto him he wouldn’t race there. Maybe a disqualification would suit him.

[sandman77]

If Lewis gets a grid penalty it will effectively end the championship and be the worst possible ending to the best season in years.
Let’s hope it’s a borderline infringement and the call goes his way. If he did pass double yellows without lifting it would be a fair cop though.

[TheDeuce]

jsf said:

TheDeuce said:

Nope. Each driver signs up to the risks ahead of each race. They can also refuse to race... So long as they have that option and they know the rules and risks ahead of each session, it's ultimately on their head.

That depends on the law in the country they are racing. You can be prosecuted for manslaughter in some countries just from putting a car on track that a driver dies in, Italy for example is the obvious one. Any position of authority is open to prosecution if the legal system deems you potentially culpable.

A fair point. The law of the land applies always.

It would be argued that the driver made the final decision to race I think though. Even if it's not a successful argument.

[Roofless Toothless]

If there were no blue flags what can he be charged with?

Does this mean the Race organisers are delegating the responsibility to the team radio to warn drivers of cars behind?

And if there were no white flags the organisers are again responsible for not warning Mazepin.

[JonChalk]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breakin...

"....he was called to appear in front of the stewards one hour ahead of the crucial evening session for an alleged failure to respect double waved yellow flags and lights 22 minutes into Free Practice 3."

I don't recall them either, but 22 minutes in was before the Mazepin incident, from memory.

[TheDeuce]

sandman77 said:

If Lewis gets a grid penalty it will effectively end the championship and be the worst possible ending to the best season in years.
Let’s hope it’s a borderline infringement and the call goes his way. If he did pass double yellows without lifting it would be a fair cop though.

Which is why we can expect/hope they'll take one of the other available options if they do decide he's at fault.

[anonymous-user]

Joey Deacon said:

Agreed, if he did ignore double waved yellows then surely he has to be given a five place grid penalty like Max received?

I thought this was going to be a boring processional race, it may just get interesting soon depending on the verdict.

The double yellow rules are more complex than they used to be, with the whole lap now counted as a factor rather than just the incident zone. It could be he backed off for the double yellow but then set a faster overall time, that automatically triggers an investigation. Too early to say if its a slam dunk yet.

[honda_exige]

Adrian W said:

If they dish out penalties it proves that this track isn’t fit for purpose, if someone does die in the race do the FIA get done for manslaughter

Oh come on, that was all on Bono who had a brain fart twice. Every one else managed fine.

[honda_exige]

Hungrymc said:

What’s the odds of Merc doing something odd with tyre allocation through quali?
Sofits in the first session and hard in Q3 ?

They one have one set of hards left needed for the race.