Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[MarkwG]

Fast and Spurious said:

NRS said:

It's always very telling we've never seen criticism about Vettel doing the same LGBT+ and women's rights, comments about countries being dodgy, the same PR stuff, the same shouting on the radio, the same dominated for a shorter time... I wonder what might be different?

Oh that's easy:
He didn't live in slums and he doesn't do social media.

Really? I've followed him on SM for ages...what has where he lived got to do with anything?

[MarkwG]

RB Will said:

NRS said:

If you talk about the 2 races lost to Silverstone and Hungary what about the 2 races that Max won due to Masi - Spa and yesterday for example? I am really puzzled by how Spa was an example of a race that Lewis benefitted over Max, given Max won a 2 lap "race" - how does that help Lewis?!

Thinking on that one is if it went full distance then Max may well have had a bigger points advantage, as it was, Hamilton got a better result (smaller points gap) than finishing likely 2nd.

Or Hamilton may have won, whilst Verstappen may have crashed. It penalised both of them, but one came out with more points than the other.

[MustangGT]

RB Will said:

NRS said:

If you talk about the 2 races lost to Silverstone and Hungary what about the 2 races that Max won due to Masi - Spa and yesterday for example? I am really puzzled by how Spa was an example of a race that Lewis benefitted over Max, given Max won a 2 lap "race" - how does that help Lewis?!

Thinking on that one is if it went full distance then Max may well have had a bigger points advantage, as it was, Hamilton got a better result (smaller points gap) than finishing likely 2nd.

Absolute BS. There was no race so no points should have been awarded. Nobody can predict the outcome of a race, particularly in a very wet race. I could easily say that Lewis would win in the wet because he is the absolute rain master. Totally irrelevant, no race so no points.

Can you not see how biased the 'decisions' have been this year? All in favour of RB and Max. I stand by my previous statement that the powers that be decided a new champion was required and were prepared to 'cheat' to achieve that outcome. A couple of weeks ago I was called a conspiracy theorist. It is not a theory when proved to be spot on.

Just a few:

Silverstone - Lewis was within the rules at Copse, Max turned into him. Lewis penalised
Monza - Max deliberately takes out Lewis (judging by his radio comments). Paltry penalty, should have been a DQ from the next race for intentional crashing
Rear wings 1) Despite RB having a very obviously illegal rear wing at the start of the season they are given a further 3 races to use it and no penalty awarded. Note that the rules were not changed at all, just the testing method.
Rear wings 2a) Max interferes with Lewis's rear wing in parc ferme. Paltry fine. In other race classes that would be an automatic DQ from qualifying
Rear wings 2b) Lewis's rear wing found to be out of measurement due to loose or broken screws. Wing seized by FIA and Lewis DQd from qualifying, Mercedes not allowed to repair it. Since it is impossible to say whether Max actually influenced anything the penalty is very excessive, there was very much an element of doubt.
Rear wings 2c) On several occasions Red Bull were allowed to 'mend' their rear wings in parc ferme. Why were Mercedes not allowed to do so?
Rear wings 3) Red Bull complain about the Mercedes wing. New tests introduced immediately.
Brazil - Max aims for Lewis again, Lewis avoids the collision and both cars are 4 or 5 lengths off the circuit, taken off by Max. No penalty for Max
Also numerous occasions where Max was attempting to either force Lewis off or crash were un-penalised.

This season has been a farce from start to finish.

My main concern is that Max now thinks that all he has done is perfectly acceptable. There is no doubt he is one of the fastest drivers out there, if not the fastest, however, he is also probably the dirtiest driver by quite some margin. Yes, he was unlucky in Hungary, but, that really is racing, not like the last few laps yesterday.

I do hope Mercedes take it to CAS, hopefully Ferrari will join them since Carlos was severely disadvantaged also with no chance to attack Max for 2nd.

[Vanden Saab]

MustangGT said:

Absolute BS. There was no race so no points should have been awarded. Nobody can predict the outcome of a race, particularly in a very wet race. I could easily say that Lewis would win in the wet because he is the absolute rain master. Totally irrelevant, no race so no points.

Can you not see how biased the 'decisions' have been this year? All in favour of RB and Max. I stand by my previous statement that the powers that be decided a new champion was required and were prepared to 'cheat' to achieve that outcome. A couple of weeks ago I was called a conspiracy theorist. It is not a theory when proved to be spot on.

Just a few:

Silverstone - Lewis was within the rules at Copse, Max turned into him. Lewis penalised
Monza - Max deliberately takes out Lewis (judging by his radio comments). Paltry penalty, should have been a DQ from the next race for intentional crashing
Rear wings 1) Despite RB having a very obviously illegal rear wing at the start of the season they are given a further 3 races to use it and no penalty awarded. Note that the rules were not changed at all, just the testing method.
Rear wings 2a) Max interferes with Lewis's rear wing in parc ferme. Paltry fine. In other race classes that would be an automatic DQ from qualifying
Rear wings 2b) Lewis's rear wing found to be out of measurement due to loose or broken screws. Wing seized by FIA and Lewis DQd from qualifying, Mercedes not allowed to repair it. Since it is impossible to say whether Max actually influenced anything the penalty is very excessive, there was very much an element of doubt.
Rear wings 2c) On several occasions Red Bull were allowed to 'mend' their rear wings in parc ferme. Why were Mercedes not allowed to do so?
Rear wings 3) Red Bull complain about the Mercedes wing. New tests introduced immediately.
Brazil - Max aims for Lewis again, Lewis avoids the collision and both cars are 4 or 5 lengths off the circuit, taken off by Max. No penalty for Max
Also numerous occasions where Max was attempting to either force Lewis off or crash were un-penalised.

This season has been a farce from start to finish.

My main concern is that Max now thinks that all he has done is perfectly acceptable. There is no doubt he is one of the fastest drivers out there, if not the fastest, however, he is also probably the dirtiest driver by quite some margin. Yes, he was unlucky in Hungary, but, that really is racing, not like the last few laps yesterday.

I do hope Mercedes take it to CAS, hopefully Ferrari will join them since Carlos was severely disadvantaged also with no chance to attack Max for 2nd.

While the plucky loser has got away with shocking driving the last few years of the let me pass or we crash variety that he has never won has meant there was no advantage for other drivers to hold their line, now he is champion I doubt the other drivers will get out of his way next year as to do so would gift him a possible 2nd championship. I predict he will crash out in several of the early races and be out of contention by half way through the season before he is taught to be more careful.

[whatxd]

sly fox said:

C70R said:

Just so I'm completely clear.

You don't like Hamilton, and think he's "definitely not the greatest" because:
1. He does "PR". to his detriment, yes. Look at how Vettel has acted this year compared to Lewis. You can be classy without needing to win millions of new followers on SM
2. He plays mind-games on team radio. cheapens his wins when he's been in a car of clear technical dominance for so long- why do this as well?
3. He uses his position to champion minority causes. see point one
4. He's in a dominant car. which again to my point demonstrates that he is not one the greats, but the Mercedes car has been

That's a compelling character assassination if ever I've heard one.

£10 says you're a straight, white, middle-aged male. what has my age/ colour of skin have anything to do with this other than in your head?

Read the entire thread - it's like you are all his direct family at times. Just an opposing set of views.

There are a few zealots in this thread like paulguitar and the legend vdn who defend Hamilton as if they're on a salary to do so. I pop in every 6 months or so and without fail, they're there saying the same things to different people. It's quite amusing.

I've always thought Hamilton to be a fake guy, his interview after the race was robotic and the only thing he deserves any credit for was keeping his cool and staying on the PR script, given that he was clearly robbed.

Anyone who thinks there was anything "classy" about it, well they'd believe anything.

[paulguitar]

whatxd said:

There are a few zealots in this thread like paulguitar and the legend vdn who defend Hamilton as if they're on a salary to do so. I pop in every 6 months or so and without fail, they're there saying the same things to different people. It's quite amusing.

I've always thought Hamilton to be a fake guy, his interview after the race was robotic and the only thing he deserves any credit for was keeping his cool and staying on the PR script, given that he was clearly robbed.

Anyone who thinks there was anything "classy" about it, well they'd believe anything.

You'd not understand class so no surprise you don't understand this.

[whatxd]

paulguitar said:

whatxd said:

There are a few zealots in this thread like paulguitar and the legend vdn who defend Hamilton as if they're on a salary to do so. I pop in every 6 months or so and without fail, they're there saying the same things to different people. It's quite amusing.

I've always thought Hamilton to be a fake guy, his interview after the race was robotic and the only thing he deserves any credit for was keeping his cool and staying on the PR script, given that he was clearly robbed.

Anyone who thinks there was anything "classy" about it, well they'd believe anything.

You'd not understand class so no surprise you don't understand this.

[vdn]

NRS said:

RB Will said:

As someone that isn't a fan of Hamilton even I feel bad for him the way that ended, but I do feel the most deserving driver won the championship.

Hamilton was all over the place at the start of the season making mistakes in every race. And all the points taken off Max / gained by Hamilton out of Max's control (Baku, Silverstone, Hungry, possibly Spa, Imola), this season could have been over races ago. Bottas has helped out significantly here, if it were not for him then The championship would have been done a race ago.

Feel we were a bit robbed from the start in this last race with Hamilton going all Mario kart again and just skipping the chicane and getting a massive advantage, off out of DRS range. He may well have been quicker and got back by a lap or so later anyway but at least the lead will have been earned then and we would have had a much more interesting part of the race with Hamilton trying to get by, maybe Perez could have been involved then too.

I'm pretty puzzled by your post. I think Lewis won 3 out of the first 4 races this season, when the RB was quicker. Max and RB threw away quite a few points there. Then Max got back into it, before the Merc came back strong at the end.

If you talk about the 2 races lost to Silverstone and Hungary what about the 2 races that Max won due to Masi - Spa and yesterday for example? I am really puzzled by how Spa was an example of a race that Lewis benefitted over Max, given Max won a 2 lap "race" - how does that help Lewis?!

Max would easily have deserved to win this season, he had the faster car (according to Newey yesterday), he did an amazing job in terms of not wheel to wheel racing and is one of the fastest if not fastest racers out there. The FIA have taken a lot of that away IMO with how they ran the season. Max was even saying the same thing until he won.

Bingo!

[JayK12]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarioAndretti/status/14...

Lewis coming out of this pretty well. If he comes back and wins number 8 next year i think this loss and the way he is perceived will have actually done his imagine alot of good. Not sure it matters though.

[Hazmat1]

So Merc won the constructors with a car they didn’t spend their available tokens on to ensure they spent more time on the 2022 car….

https://youtu.be/Xo4mJ1tmSzU

Next year can’t come soon enough.

Edited by Hazmat1 on Tuesday 14th December 20:56

[James44]

JayK12 said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarioAndretti/status/14...

Lewis coming out of this pretty well. If he comes back and wins number 8 next year i think this loss and the way he is perceived will have actually done his imagine alot of good. Not sure it matters though.

Agree .... but

Lewis won't get the 8th unless there is an overwhelming difference in performance in the cars (which I wouldn't expect to see).

I think Max has the mental upper hand over Lewis (and all other drivers). He also now clearly enjoys the support from FIA, FOM and the Race Director. I can't see him being stopped. Max won't need to 'get his elbows out' he can just throw them off the f***ing track.

Lando, George, Alex, Estabon; Great drivers but they haven't had their sportsmanship, empathy and personality surgically removed (which is what is required now).

It's a dull few years coming up for those wanting to see the sport decline

[LostM135idriver]

Even if Lewis has the fastest car next year, surely the story is all about the comeback of Ferrari who will unbelievably regain the constructors and the WDC right at the end of the final race?

[JayK12]

James44 said:

JayK12 said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarioAndretti/status/14...

Lewis coming out of this pretty well. If he comes back and wins number 8 next year i think this loss and the way he is perceived will have actually done his imagine alot of good. Not sure it matters though.

Agree .... but

Lewis won't get the 8th unless there is an overwhelming difference in performance in the cars (which I wouldn't expect to see).

I think Max has the mental upper hand over Lewis (and all other drivers). He also now clearly enjoys the support from FIA, FOM and the Race Director. I can't see him being stopped. Max won't need to 'get his elbows out' he can just throw them off the f***ing track.

Lando, George, Alex, Estabon; Great drivers but they haven't had their sportsmanship, empathy and personality surgically removed (which is what is required now).

It's a dull few years coming up for those wanting to see the sport decline

Lewis has had some tough competition over the years. I think we might be under estimating his ability by saying he needs a performance increase. Engines will always be different, and aero designers will be having a field day with the new regs. Even if the cars are very similar I still expect Lewis to be up there, maybe not so much in qualifying, but in races he has a cool head, he can manage his tyres like no one else, and now he has George to back him up, which i think he will and being the younger generation he just might be as ruthless as Max.

Be interesting to see. I really hope the FIA and Liberty don't start manufacturing results and choosing a select few over all the others like they did last Sunday.

Edited by JayK12 on Tuesday 14th December 22:06

[skullcandy]

JayK12 said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarioAndretti/status/14...

Lewis coming out of this pretty well. If he comes back and wins number 8 next year i think this loss and the way he is perceived will have actually done his imagine alot of good. Not sure it matters though.

Thanks for that link which had some great content. The contrast between Bernie Ecclestone's comment re Vettel beating MS's record and LH was very sobering and sad

[HustleRussell]

LostM135idriver said:

Even if Lewis has the fastest car next year, surely the story is all about the comeback of Ferrari who will unbelievably regain the constructors and the WDC right at the end of the final race?

After Macron’s recent speech I think they’ll elect for the Alpine and Alonso comeback storyline instead. Ferrari will have to wait until season five… I mean, 2023.

[Dal3D]

Lewis Hamilton will formally receive his knighthood today at Windsor Castle.

Unless the queue gets rearranged at the last moment so that Max gets it.

[spikyone]

Dal3D said:

Lewis Hamilton will formally receive his knighthood today at Windsor Castle.

Unless the queue gets rearranged at the last moment so that Max gets it.

But you have to be British to get a knighthood according to the rul... Oh, never mind

[vdn]

spikyone said:

Dal3D said:

Lewis Hamilton will formally receive his knighthood today at Windsor Castle.

Unless the queue gets rearranged at the last moment so that Max gets it.

But you have to be British to get a knighthood according to the rul... Oh, never mind

[swisstoni]

vdn said:

spikyone said:

Dal3D said:

Lewis Hamilton will formally receive his knighthood today at Windsor Castle.

Unless the queue gets rearranged at the last moment so that Max gets it.

But you have to be British to get a knighthood according to the rul... Oh, never mind

“Sorry to interrupt the ceremony Ma’am. There’s a Mr Horner wants a word…”

[Dal3D]

Maybe for the 2022 season he should insist that he's captioned "SIR Lewis Hamilton" on all the FIA timing screens etc.

Edited by Dal3D on Wednesday 15th December 11:45