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sparta6 said:
It's not just the time - it's the inherent responsibility to your children.
Partying hard and driving hard when single does not compare.
Damon alludes to that in his autobiography. Once he felt he was in a position when he no longer needed the money, the thought began to creep in: "why on earth am I doing this?" He pretty much fell apart in his last season.Partying hard and driving hard when single does not compare.
IIRC Jackie Stewart felt similar at the end. Seemingly didn't feel that way through the previous two championships flying through death, but I guess there comes a time when you just accept that you've been very lucky and should call it quits before the house wins.
Polite M135 driver said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
He makes quite a good subject on the F1 Podcast Nico, I was really interested to hear about bringing his children up in a non-competitive environment. His words of "it's unfair that the talented one gets all the success" could be taken to mean a lot of things I think!
It must be a difficult thing to balance, bringing up children so privileged, how getting rid of competition helps I'm not sure? I had my two year old at the trampoline park yesterday and of course I let her win some games but I beat her too-I feel she needs to know failure as much as success!
oh yes, I've seen you down the park before https://youtu.be/h2x_DI7tzNQIt must be a difficult thing to balance, bringing up children so privileged, how getting rid of competition helps I'm not sure? I had my two year old at the trampoline park yesterday and of course I let her win some games but I beat her too-I feel she needs to know failure as much as success!
glazbagun said:
Damon alludes to that in his autobiography. Once he felt he was in a position when he no longer needed the money, the thought began to creep in: "why on earth am I doing this?" He pretty much fell apart in his last season.
IIRC Jackie Stewart felt similar at the end. Seemingly didn't feel that way through the previous two championships flying through death, but I guess there comes a time when you just accept that you've been very lucky and should call it quits before the house wins.
Jackie was in an era when death was a very real possibility. Damon slightly less so but even in the 90's people knew things could happen as it did with Senna and Ratzenberger.IIRC Jackie Stewart felt similar at the end. Seemingly didn't feel that way through the previous two championships flying through death, but I guess there comes a time when you just accept that you've been very lucky and should call it quits before the house wins.
The chance of a driver being killed now is extremely slim. A driver would be more likely to be killed travelling to the circuit.
Obviously, it's not just the risks. If you have a wife and children the time away from home and the number of races in a year would perhaps make some drivers stop. It's a huge commitment.
I was actually surprised Kimi continued but I doubt if the risks were as high as they once were he would be in F1 in 2019.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
glazbagun said:
Damon alludes to that in his autobiography. Once he felt he was in a position when he no longer needed the money, the thought began to creep in: "why on earth am I doing this?" He pretty much fell apart in his last season.
IIRC Jackie Stewart felt similar at the end. Seemingly didn't feel that way through the previous two championships flying through death, but I guess there comes a time when you just accept that you've been very lucky and should call it quits before the house wins.
Jackie was in an era when death was a very real possibility. Damon slightly less so but even in the 90's people knew things could happen as it did with Senna and Ratzenberger.IIRC Jackie Stewart felt similar at the end. Seemingly didn't feel that way through the previous two championships flying through death, but I guess there comes a time when you just accept that you've been very lucky and should call it quits before the house wins.
The chance of a driver being killed now is extremely slim. A driver would be more likely to be killed travelling to the circuit.
Obviously, it's not just the risks. If you have a wife and children the time away from home and the number of races in a year would perhaps make some drivers stop. It's a huge commitment.
I was actually surprised Kimi continued but I doubt if the risks were as high as they once were he would be in F1 in 2019.
We also had the incident with Maria De Villota as well, which whilst not at an F1 race, shows the dangers associated with driving an F1 car and how small things (such as getting caught out by the anti-stall characteristics) can end up in a serious situation, which ultimately lead to her death later on.
So F1 is not a risk free activity, it cannot be. Very few things are and especially not screaming around in a 1000bhp/600odd kg ground based missile surrounded by 19 other cars all fighting for the same bit of tarmac.
Everyone perceived risk differently and we all change our view on risk as we age too. As a teenager, you often don’t even think about how dangerous something is, but as we get older, that invariably changes. All F1 drivers go through this too and many have said that as they reached the end of their careers they would not do things that their younger selves would have thought twice about. That is human nature and how safe the cars may seem, that won’t ever change.
This is why younger drivers with a point to prove are so exciting to watch.
IforB said:
The chances of a driving being killed are not zero. It is safer of course, but the death of Jules Bianchi is unfortunate proof that mistakes are still made and things happen.
We also had the incident with Maria De Villota as well, which whilst not at an F1 race, shows the dangers associated with driving an F1 car and how small things (such as getting caught out by the anti-stall characteristics) can end up in a serious situation, which ultimately lead to her death later on.
So F1 is not a risk free activity, it cannot be. Very few things are and especially not screaming around in a 1000bhp/600odd kg ground based missile surrounded by 19 other cars all fighting for the same bit of tarmac.
Everyone perceived risk differently and we all change our view on risk as we age too. As a teenager, you often don’t even think about how dangerous something is, but as we get older, that invariably changes. All F1 drivers go through this too and many have said that as they reached the end of their careers they would not do things that their younger selves would have thought twice about. That is human nature and how safe the cars may seem, that won’t ever change.
This is why younger drivers with a point to prove are so exciting to watch.
The chances of being killed will never be zero. But if you look at Bianchi's death it was stupid factors and a very unlucky scenario which resulted in his death. A JCB should not have been recovering an F1 car while the track was live. Again it was pointed out that Bianchi was going too fast but each and every driver did the same as not to lose time. But this has been fixed with the virtual safety car.We also had the incident with Maria De Villota as well, which whilst not at an F1 race, shows the dangers associated with driving an F1 car and how small things (such as getting caught out by the anti-stall characteristics) can end up in a serious situation, which ultimately lead to her death later on.
So F1 is not a risk free activity, it cannot be. Very few things are and especially not screaming around in a 1000bhp/600odd kg ground based missile surrounded by 19 other cars all fighting for the same bit of tarmac.
Everyone perceived risk differently and we all change our view on risk as we age too. As a teenager, you often don’t even think about how dangerous something is, but as we get older, that invariably changes. All F1 drivers go through this too and many have said that as they reached the end of their careers they would not do things that their younger selves would have thought twice about. That is human nature and how safe the cars may seem, that won’t ever change.
This is why younger drivers with a point to prove are so exciting to watch.
Maria De Villota accident would be clearly helped by the halo but again this was a freak accident.
There is always a chance that a small piece like what happened to Massa could happen again. This perhaps is the biggest danger but Massa was extremely unlucky.
This is why I stated that travelling to the track is more dangerous.
Schumacher drove when the cars were still dangerous yet it was a freak skiing accident which has changed his life.
This is a bit bizarre as it makes out Lewis Hamilton stated this when in fact it was De la Rosa.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/10397...
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/10397...
ELUSIVEJIM said:
This is a bit bizarre as it makes out Lewis Hamilton stated this when in fact it was De la Rosa.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/10397...
just typical click bait....the headline will enrage idiots who wont read the articlehttps://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/10397...
37chevy said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
This is a bit bizarre as it makes out Lewis Hamilton stated this when in fact it was De la Rosa.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/10397...
just typical click bait....the headline will enrage idiots who wont read the articlehttps://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/10397...
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/10393...
ELUSIVEJIM said:
IforB said:
The chances of a driving being killed are not zero. It is safer of course, but the death of Jules Bianchi is unfortunate proof that mistakes are still made and things happen.
We also had the incident with Maria De Villota as well, which whilst not at an F1 race, shows the dangers associated with driving an F1 car and how small things (such as getting caught out by the anti-stall characteristics) can end up in a serious situation, which ultimately lead to her death later on.
So F1 is not a risk free activity, it cannot be. Very few things are and especially not screaming around in a 1000bhp/600odd kg ground based missile surrounded by 19 other cars all fighting for the same bit of tarmac.
Everyone perceived risk differently and we all change our view on risk as we age too. As a teenager, you often don’t even think about how dangerous something is, but as we get older, that invariably changes. All F1 drivers go through this too and many have said that as they reached the end of their careers they would not do things that their younger selves would have thought twice about. That is human nature and how safe the cars may seem, that won’t ever change.
This is why younger drivers with a point to prove are so exciting to watch.
The chances of being killed will never be zero. But if you look at Bianchi's death it was stupid factors and a very unlucky scenario which resulted in his death. A JCB should not have been recovering an F1 car while the track was live. Again it was pointed out that Bianchi was going too fast but each and every driver did the same as not to lose time. But this has been fixed with the virtual safety car.We also had the incident with Maria De Villota as well, which whilst not at an F1 race, shows the dangers associated with driving an F1 car and how small things (such as getting caught out by the anti-stall characteristics) can end up in a serious situation, which ultimately lead to her death later on.
So F1 is not a risk free activity, it cannot be. Very few things are and especially not screaming around in a 1000bhp/600odd kg ground based missile surrounded by 19 other cars all fighting for the same bit of tarmac.
Everyone perceived risk differently and we all change our view on risk as we age too. As a teenager, you often don’t even think about how dangerous something is, but as we get older, that invariably changes. All F1 drivers go through this too and many have said that as they reached the end of their careers they would not do things that their younger selves would have thought twice about. That is human nature and how safe the cars may seem, that won’t ever change.
This is why younger drivers with a point to prove are so exciting to watch.
Maria De Villota accident would be clearly helped by the halo but again this was a freak accident.
There is always a chance that a small piece like what happened to Massa could happen again. This perhaps is the biggest danger but Massa was extremely unlucky.
This is why I stated that travelling to the track is more dangerous.
Schumacher drove when the cars were still dangerous yet it was a freak skiing accident which has changed his life.
No accident is ever caused by a single event usually and whilst Bianchi’s was a “freak” accident in many ways, because of the work done to mitigate risk in F1, then it will generally always be that nowadays. A combination of factors and that ever present and unavoidable human factor where no matter how idiot proof something is made, a better idiot is always available!
We can’t ever dismiss events like Bianchi’s accident, it highlighted issues and is now fortunately less likely to happen in the future, but something else as serious as that could always happen again in the future. It is a risky activity, no matter how many defences you put in place.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
The chances of being killed will never be zero. But if you look at Bianchi's death it was stupid factors and a very unlucky scenario which resulted in his death. A JCB should not have been recovering an F1 car while the track was live. Again it was pointed out that Bianchi was going too fast but each and every driver did the same as not to lose time. But this has been fixed with the virtual safety car.
Maria De Villota accident would be clearly helped by the halo but again this was a freak accident.
There is always a chance that a small piece like what happened to Massa could happen again. This perhaps is the biggest danger but Massa was extremely unlucky.
This is why I stated that travelling to the track is more dangerous.
Schumacher drove when the cars were still dangerous yet it was a freak skiing accident which has changed his life.
Agree with this.Maria De Villota accident would be clearly helped by the halo but again this was a freak accident.
There is always a chance that a small piece like what happened to Massa could happen again. This perhaps is the biggest danger but Massa was extremely unlucky.
This is why I stated that travelling to the track is more dangerous.
Schumacher drove when the cars were still dangerous yet it was a freak skiing accident which has changed his life.
The FIA should have a ban of JCB's trackside while cars are still in motion. Bring the cars into pitlane while the trucks are out.
Schumacher got a taste of the inherent danger with a smashed leg at Silverstone.
By contrast today's carbon cells are now virtually indestructible. It seems Max has been exploiting this to the full
Edited by sparta6 on Friday 2nd November 12:07
sparta6 said:
Agree with this.
The FIA should have a ban of JCB's trackside while cars are still in motion. Bring the cars into pitlane while the trucks are out.
Schumacher got a taste of the inherent danger with a smashed leg at Silverstone.
By contrast today's carbon cells are now virtually indestructible. It seems Max has been exploiting this to the full
Why do trolls always seem to have names that have numbers at the end? Is there some algorithm that generates names this way?The FIA should have a ban of JCB's trackside while cars are still in motion. Bring the cars into pitlane while the trucks are out.
Schumacher got a taste of the inherent danger with a smashed leg at Silverstone.
By contrast today's carbon cells are now virtually indestructible. It seems Max has been exploiting this to the full
Mr Pointy said:
sparta6 said:
Agree with this.
The FIA should have a ban of JCB's trackside while cars are still in motion. Bring the cars into pitlane while the trucks are out.
Schumacher got a taste of the inherent danger with a smashed leg at Silverstone.
By contrast today's carbon cells are now virtually indestructible. It seems Max has been exploiting this to the full
Why do trolls always seem to have names that have numbers at the end? Is there some algorithm that generates names this way?The FIA should have a ban of JCB's trackside while cars are still in motion. Bring the cars into pitlane while the trucks are out.
Schumacher got a taste of the inherent danger with a smashed leg at Silverstone.
By contrast today's carbon cells are now virtually indestructible. It seems Max has been exploiting this to the full
Although, there be fair; that post was about right.
Deesee said:
There are still some clowns out there who think this was a conspiracy! Still, there are also lots of people who think we have not been to the moon, so nothing is a surprise I suppose.
paulguitar said:
Deesee said:
There are still some clowns out there who think this was a conspiracy! Still, there are also lots of people who think we have not been to the moon, so nothing is a surprise I suppose.But the team radio for Toyota has never been published....
And as for the moon... well no human has ever been there that’s for sure.
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