Vettel and traction control?
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moffspeed said:
Autosport's Lewis quote said:
"If you look at the onboard, he is on the power full throttle at least 20 metres before anyone else, which is a huge advantage."
"There is nothing you can really do, as you are always asking for more rear downforce."
"The last time I was able to put the pedal down that quick was back in 2007 or 2008, when we had traction control."
Lewis Hamilton interviewed in Korea this week. Was this a) a compliment to Vettel or b) a veiled accusation that RB do run some form of TC ??"There is nothing you can really do, as you are always asking for more rear downforce."
"The last time I was able to put the pedal down that quick was back in 2007 or 2008, when we had traction control."
I've just read this as well. A bit of both from my reading, but probably more complimentary to Redbull rather than Vettel though. This just might gain legs...
That's odd because I am sure in previous years the Mclaren and Merc were well noted for their traction. Maybe Redbull have just sorted it better than they have this year.
It does strike me as people being desperate to find any reason for Redbull/Vettel's success other than them simply being good at their jobs and working better than the others at this present time.
It does strike me as people being desperate to find any reason for Redbull/Vettel's success other than them simply being good at their jobs and working better than the others at this present time.
If I recall correctly Vettel was the only F1 driver to turn up to Pirelli's factory before the season started to learn more about the tyre technology that was going to be used. He also talked about tweaking the tyre pressures on the Top Gear Liana before he did his lap.
The guy is as focused on the minutiae as you can be, it's no wonder he and his car have such a close symbiosis. I genuinely think Webber would be just as middling in Vettel's car.
+1 for sour grapes tbh
The guy is as focused on the minutiae as you can be, it's no wonder he and his car have such a close symbiosis. I genuinely think Webber would be just as middling in Vettel's car.
+1 for sour grapes tbh
Durzel said:
If I recall correctly Vettel was the only F1 driver to turn up to Pirelli's factory before the season started to learn more about the tyre technology that was going to be used. He also talked about tweaking the tyre pressures on the Top Gear Liana before he did his lap.
The guy is as focused on the minutiae as you can be, it's no wonder he and his car have such a close symbiosis. I genuinely think Webber would be just as middling in Vettel's car.
+1 for sour grapes tbh
How dare you speak reason and truth! The guy is as focused on the minutiae as you can be, it's no wonder he and his car have such a close symbiosis. I genuinely think Webber would be just as middling in Vettel's car.
+1 for sour grapes tbh
Back on topic:
Vettel is using wider rear tyres.
McClure said:
Hmmm...isn't there a rule that KERS cannot be harvested under throttle load for exactly this reason?groomi said:
Hmmm...isn't there a rule that KERS cannot be harvested under throttle load for exactly this reason?
I thought it was only under braking? Which is almost the same thing I know! Either way, I was under the impression that was the case too. The system RCE are implying would basically be torque vectoring?
Well despite Horner rubbishing any traction control software, it seems from Vettels quote that they have indeed done something clever...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110290
Vettel himself also brushed off talk of his outfit doing anything illegal, and said that any clever engine mapping his team used was something he and his team should be praised for.
"We are pretty proud of the system we have because other people will never figure out how we've done it," he said. "Constantly we try to improve the car. That's part of the homework that we have to do."
Of course, SV may just be winding people up.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110290
Vettel himself also brushed off talk of his outfit doing anything illegal, and said that any clever engine mapping his team used was something he and his team should be praised for.
"We are pretty proud of the system we have because other people will never figure out how we've done it," he said. "Constantly we try to improve the car. That's part of the homework that we have to do."
Of course, SV may just be winding people up.
andygo said:
Well despite Horner rubbishing any traction control software, it seems from Vettels quote that they have indeed done something clever...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110290
Vettel himself also brushed off talk of his outfit doing anything illegal, and said that any clever engine mapping his team used was something he and his team should be praised for.
"We are pretty proud of the system we have because other people will never figure out how we've done it," he said. "Constantly we try to improve the car. That's part of the homework that we have to do."
Of course, SV may just be winding people up.
No doubt they have some clever system going on, fair play to them. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110290
Vettel himself also brushed off talk of his outfit doing anything illegal, and said that any clever engine mapping his team used was something he and his team should be praised for.
"We are pretty proud of the system we have because other people will never figure out how we've done it," he said. "Constantly we try to improve the car. That's part of the homework that we have to do."
Of course, SV may just be winding people up.
McClure said:
If that is what they are doing, then fair play. The hours that must have gone into calibrating the code for controlling that lot...
Traction control via the torque from the MGU with a feeback loop from damper loading, that's clever. The car carries all the sensors to make it possible.
RobGT81 said:
Megaflow said:
If that is what they are doing, then fair play. The hours that must have gone into calibrating the code for controlling that lot...
I wonder if it would go some way to explain their KERS over heating issues?jammy_basturd said:
Hmmm, Webber seems to have suffered with that slightly more than Vettel, whilst performances would suggest that Webber doesn't have the system that Vettel does.
Why would they give webber a lesser system? To increase their chances of losing the constructors championship?vonuber said:
jammy_basturd said:
Hmmm, Webber seems to have suffered with that slightly more than Vettel, whilst performances would suggest that Webber doesn't have the system that Vettel does.
Why would they give webber a lesser system? To increase their chances of losing the constructors championship?Composite Guru said:
I think people should stop cussing this bloke and move on. Do you really think its in Red Bulls interest to cheat to win a championship? If they were cheating and got found out then they would be finished in F1 imo.
Of course it is! Every F1 team cheats as much as they can get away with, it's called motorsport. A win is win (malaysia) and a championship is a championship, along with the £££'s that go with it.The list of people who've been caught cheating in F1 and most certainly aren't 'finished' is long.
Do you have a vested interest in Redbull?
vonuber said:
Why would they give webber a lesser system? To increase their chances of losing the constructors championship?
Well if the pantomime personas are to be believed, then the 'straight taking Aussie' would likely report any cheating, whereas the 'dastardly German' would sneakily enjoy the success...Composite Guru said:
vonuber said:
jammy_basturd said:
Hmmm, Webber seems to have suffered with that slightly more than Vettel, whilst performances would suggest that Webber doesn't have the system that Vettel does.
Why would they give webber a lesser system? To increase their chances of losing the constructors championship?From what I gather, it seems whatever this thing is has been most noticeable at the last GP. It could well be that it's a completely new system, one that they've only been able to develop for one car so far.
walsh said:
Is it possible ( and I admit this may be a stretch), that Vettel is, well, just the quickest guy out there in an F1 car?
Just a thought.
No it's not and he isn't. He does what his (illegal) car is capable of. Having chatted to a few F1 engineers during a Renaultsport tour of the F1 garages on the thursday of last years Silverstone GP they all said that the one constant (with respect to performance and setup changes) is the drivers, they can ALL extract the absolute maximum from the cars (errors aside!).Just a thought.
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