Official 2020 Australian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
Discussion
poo at Paul's said:
Pirelli guys?
Pirelli, and brembo... Have people all over the place - should be ok.With the caveat that we're talking about key players getting to a single GP. As the season goes forwards further travel bans are going to zig-zag the globe and I fear it might well become unmanageable.
In the end, if a single team is hamstrung by travel bans, then the entire championship becomes worthless really. That's the scary reality.
TheDeuce said:
Pirelli, and brembo... Have people all over the place - should be ok.
With the caveat that we're talking about key players getting to a single GP. As the season goes forwards further travel bans are going to zig-zag the globe and I fear it might well become unmanageable.
In the end, if a single team is hamstrung by travel bans, then the entire championship becomes worthless really. That's the scary reality.
The amount of old/vulnerable people who will likely die is the scary reality Deuce, not a motor race.With the caveat that we're talking about key players getting to a single GP. As the season goes forwards further travel bans are going to zig-zag the globe and I fear it might well become unmanageable.
In the end, if a single team is hamstrung by travel bans, then the entire championship becomes worthless really. That's the scary reality.
TheDeuce said:
In the end, if a single team is hamstrung by travel bans, then the entire championship becomes worthless really. That's the scary reality.
Brawn has already said if a single team cannot raceone a given country they will not run a world championship event there. He implied that they would leave the door open for an exhibition race, and indeed it could be an incredible opportunity for F1 to experiment with a couple of tweaks to the format, should they desire.But it’s not that simple either. If you have one team not attending an event and others running a “demonstration race” you will end up with a disparity of engine mileage. This would give the teams that don’t race a slight performance advantage over those that do. We have seen the advantage that a “fresh” engine or higher mode brings and I can’t see a team attending a non championship race if it compromises their performance at the “main event”.
Overall a very complicated and difficult situation and, in light of larger concerns, not the most important.
Overall a very complicated and difficult situation and, in light of larger concerns, not the most important.
ukaskew said:
TheDeuce said:
In the end, if a single team is hamstrung by travel bans, then the entire championship becomes worthless really. That's the scary reality.
Brawn has already said if a single team cannot raceone a given country they will not run a world championship event there. He implied that they would leave the door open for an exhibition race, and indeed it could be an incredible opportunity for F1 to experiment with a couple of tweaks to the format, should they desire.Liberty are being tight lipped so far, but they must have been discussing contingency plans for weeks now - maybe the exhibition race idea that Brawn implied is the contingency. It would be interesting if they played with the format, I'd watch.
seymourski said:
But it’s not that simple either. If you have one team not attending an event and others running a “demonstration race” you will end up with a disparity of engine mileage. This would give the teams that don’t race a slight performance advantage over those that do. We have seen the advantage that a “fresh” engine or higher mode brings and I can’t see a team attending a non championship race if it compromises their performance at the “main event”.
Overall a very complicated and difficult situation and, in light of larger concerns, not the most important.
teams attending a demo event need not use race season allocated engines shirley?Overall a very complicated and difficult situation and, in light of larger concerns, not the most important.
The idea of alternative non championship rounds has been floating at the back of my head for a while, you could have some real fun.. In fact with the saturated calendar issues we're having now you could even make them a thing, as you don't require the regular race team, cars or even drivers
Piginapoke said:
The amount of old/vulnerable people who will likely die is the scary reality Deuce, not a motor race.
I gave up adding that same sentiment to each CV post, it should be obvious that F1 isn't as important as people's lives - it doesn't need saying every single time. This remains the F1 forum however, so it's ok to comment about F1 in isolation surely?
Teddy Lop said:
teams attending a demo event need not use race season allocated engines shirley?
The idea of alternative non championship rounds has been floating at the back of my head for a while, you could have some real fun.. In fact with the saturated calendar issues we're having now you could even make them a thing, as you don't require the regular race team, cars or even drivers
We’ve not had a non-Championship event in ages, there’s probably a few fun things you could mess around with in order to put on a big show for the crowd. The possibilities depend on how much notice you have and whether or not you have a crowd watching live, but: The idea of alternative non championship rounds has been floating at the back of my head for a while, you could have some real fun.. In fact with the saturated calendar issues we're having now you could even make them a thing, as you don't require the regular race team, cars or even drivers
With engine restrictions and Parc Fermé lifted, I’d run qualifying on the softest available tyres and with everyone’s engines turned up to 11, let’s see some record laps.
Saturday evening could be a one hour sprint race, with reverse-Championship grid, timed to finish at sunset. Otherwise known as the demolition derby.
Sunday morning could be another one hour sprint, but this time one of the drivers in each team needs to be substituted for the team’s reserve driver.
For Sunday’s main race, I’d drop all the tyre restrictions, so some guys will do three or four stops, and others the usual one if at all.
Oh, and open the F1 TV Pro thingy up worldwide to everyone for the weekend, then show the races on Netflix afterwards!
Sandpit Steve said:
Teddy Lop said:
teams attending a demo event need not use race season allocated engines shirley?
The idea of alternative non championship rounds has been floating at the back of my head for a while, you could have some real fun.. In fact with the saturated calendar issues we're having now you could even make them a thing, as you don't require the regular race team, cars or even drivers
We’ve not had a non-Championship event in ages, there’s probably a few fun things you could mess around with in order to put on a big show for the crowd. The possibilities depend on how much notice you have and whether or not you have a crowd watching live, but: The idea of alternative non championship rounds has been floating at the back of my head for a while, you could have some real fun.. In fact with the saturated calendar issues we're having now you could even make them a thing, as you don't require the regular race team, cars or even drivers
With engine restrictions and Parc Fermé lifted, I’d run qualifying on the softest available tyres and with everyone’s engines turned up to 11, let’s see some record laps.
Saturday evening could be a one hour sprint race, with reverse-Championship grid, timed to finish at sunset. Otherwise known as the demolition derby.
Sunday morning could be another one hour sprint, but this time one of the drivers in each team needs to be substituted for the team’s reserve driver.
For Sunday’s main race, I’d drop all the tyre restrictions, so some guys will do three or four stops, and others the usual one if at all.
Oh, and open the F1 TV Pro thingy up worldwide to everyone for the weekend, then show the races on Netflix afterwards!
Seems Aus GP is definitely on: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51789298
All freight is there already and all personal en-route including those from Italy so assume they escaped the lock-down in time. And no thinning of the crowd either.
I guess this will be the litmus test, then.
All freight is there already and all personal en-route including those from Italy so assume they escaped the lock-down in time. And no thinning of the crowd either.
I guess this will be the litmus test, then.
StevieBee said:
Seems Aus GP is definitely on: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51789298
All freight is there already and all personal en-route including those from Italy so assume they escaped the lock-down in time. And no thinning of the crowd either.
I guess this will be the litmus test, then.
Brawn and the aussies seem pretty bullish. Lucky from Brawns perspective it's Oz and not somewhere more likely to panic and cave.All freight is there already and all personal en-route including those from Italy so assume they escaped the lock-down in time. And no thinning of the crowd either.
I guess this will be the litmus test, then.
methinks there's going to be some heros and zeros when the dust settles...
seymourski said:
But it’s not that simple either. If you have one team not attending an event and others running a “demonstration race” you will end up with a disparity of engine mileage. This would give the teams that don’t race a slight performance advantage over those that do. We have seen the advantage that a “fresh” engine or higher mode brings and I can’t see a team attending a non championship race if it compromises their performance at the “main event”.
Overall a very complicated and difficult situation and, in light of larger concerns, not the most important.
I’ve been thinking about this. The counter point is that they would get a whole weekend of free testing that they would otherwise miss out on. Some of the teams might jump at that opportunity. All they would have to do is turn the engine down to negate the effects.Overall a very complicated and difficult situation and, in light of larger concerns, not the most important.
It’s swings and roundabouts.
6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
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Nampahc Niloc said:
I’ve been thinking about this. The counter point is that they would get a whole weekend of free testing that they would otherwise miss out on. Some of the teams might jump at that opportunity. All they would have to do is turn the engine down to negate the effects.
It’s swings and roundabouts.
6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
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As it wouldn't be a championship race, barring issues of cost, no reason why they couldn't run a non championship engine I guess.It’s swings and roundabouts.
6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
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The thing is, the teams would have to want to do it - they're not obliged. I suspect most would rather put on a show if possible for the sake of retaining the sponsors though.. and that's a whole other discussion, the money side for both sponsorship and TV rights is huge, and is all based upon a full championship - so whatever they do to fill cancelled races, it needs to be something good and worth watching.
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