Redbull not to use Renault engines in 2016
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mollytherocker said:
Its a bit like the real world eh? Welcome.
Not sure what you mean there, chap. If I paid a membership fee for a club and found I got f
k-all benefits and that those who had been member for yonks got disproportionate benefits, I'd consider whether I was in the right club. Or if maybe it was a pyramid scheme scam. I'd rather live in my real world than yours. Welcome.
Edit: Having said that, the benefits for members of PH of 120+ months are so in excess of those of less that I shouldn't really complain.
Edited by JonRB on Thursday 22 October 21:22
My thought was that it won't help the relationship with Renault if they are indeed going cap in hand back to them. Renault have presumably worked pretty hard and spent a chunk of money developing the engine to use these tokens, they need to know if they are heading in the right direction to be able to build on this for 2016 and the team who have been moaning all season that Renault weren't doing anything to develop the engine then turn round and say they aren't going to use it now.
With the attitude shown over this upgrade, if I was Renault and Red Bull or Torro Rosso said they wanted one of the new engines because they suffered a failure they would be impolitely offered one of the spec used at the first race this year, and told to get on with it.
With the attitude shown over this upgrade, if I was Renault and Red Bull or Torro Rosso said they wanted one of the new engines because they suffered a failure they would be impolitely offered one of the spec used at the first race this year, and told to get on with it.
MartG said:
I wonder if they'll change their minds if one of their existing engines goes bang so they need an engine change anyway
That's a no-brainer then surely? The decision not to take the latest iteration of the Renault engine isn't the snub the media want it to be - it's down to the current ridiculous rules. Because, you know, allowing dominant teams to stay dominant reduces costs, apparently.
Edited by JonRB on Friday 23 October 07:34
Mini1275 said:
Red Bull are in talks with Honda according to paddock sources.
Will be interesting to hear what McLaren's stance would be on this, if it were to go through.
Interesting if that's true. They'd rather go with Honda and have a potentially worse engine than to back to Renault and say sorry. Unless Renault refused as well? Well that would be interesting!Will be interesting to hear what McLaren's stance would be on this, if it were to go through.
JonRB said:
MartG said:
I wonder if they'll change their minds if one of their existing engines goes bang so they need an engine change anyway
That's a no-brainer then surely? The decision not to take the latest iteration of the Renault engine isn't the snub the media want it to be - it's down to the current ridiculous rules. Because, you know, allowing dominant teams to stay dominant reduces costs, apparently.
Edited by JonRB on Friday 23 October 07:34
wet weekend so power not critical they have good aero so stand a good chance of upsetting the front runners. If they took the engine now and it was ran in a lower power mode, they could still maybe grab a few points over the merc engined rivals and stand a better chance in Mexico and Abu Dhabi with the new lump.
I'd stick and hopefully take points this weekend. A 3rd/4th this wet weekend is possible, beats the 6th/7th will likely get on the last 2 races. Need be it all goes bang and they stick a new lump in for last race take the drop and turn it up knowing its only doing 1 race.
Red Bull Honda has a certain ring to it. I like it.
The problem is the Red Bull bosses just can't keep their mouths shut, so they'll call Honda crap in the public just as they have done with Renault.
Also the Honda powered Red Bull will probably beat a McLaren Honda in a race
The problem is the Red Bull bosses just can't keep their mouths shut, so they'll call Honda crap in the public just as they have done with Renault.
Also the Honda powered Red Bull will probably beat a McLaren Honda in a race
Edited by RenOHH on Saturday 24th October 10:40
WestyCarl said:
I think I read that Big Ron has a veto on Honda supplying other teams. Not sure I'd let Red Bull have my Honda Engine if I new it was going to be great in 16/17
Give them the 2015 engines. They can have them for free if they supply their own brushes to sweep the pieces up off the track.
Vaud said:
Technically it's just Honda potentially supplying RB. But it appears McLaren have a veto right as a primary customer.
They say that they don't: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120893Boullier denied McLaren has a veto over Honda supplying other teams, and he said it could be possible from 2017.
"Our voice is considered as a partner - it's not a veto," he said.
suffolk009 said:
Why would anyone realistically expect McLaren-Honda to supply RedBull with engines?
Pretty much the same reasons apply to their decision as with Merc, Ferrari, and to some extend Renaults decision making.
Why would Honda care if races were won by McLaren Honda or Red Bull Honda? Unlike Ferrari and Mercedes (and Renault, maybe, next year), Honda are just an engine manufacturer, they don't have a team of their own. Pretty much the same reasons apply to their decision as with Merc, Ferrari, and to some extend Renaults decision making.
I'd guess that Red Bull Honda would be more likely to win races than McLaren Honda, having another team gives Honda significantly more chance of winning, plus a not inconsiderable amount of money paid by a second customer team. McLaren probably see things differently...
It goes without saying that no team will be winning races with Honda engines until and unless Honda up their game.
RYH64E said:
Why would Honda care if races were won by McLaren Honda or Red Bull Honda? Unlike Ferrari and Mercedes (and Renault, maybe, next year), Honda are just an engine manufacturer, they don't have a team of their own.
It goes without saying that no team will be winning races with Honda engines until and unless Honda up their game.
Would you want a customer like Red Bull F1? They already have a better engine than Honda and have bIt goes without saying that no team will be winning races with Honda engines until and unless Honda up their game.
hed about that one non stop. Compare that to McLaren who (bar Alosno's Japan outburst) have done a great job of playing down tension and difficulty. Money from selling engines to Redbull is the only motivation I ca think of for it because they certainly won't be getting any good publicity from it. Especially if next years Renualt-Lotus wipes the floor with Red Bull-Honda.
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