Lewis Hamilton

[whatxd]

REALIST123 said:

LDN said:

eccles said:

Look at it objectively, from a non motor sport fans point of view. To many people Hamilton has won this years championship because he's got the fastest car. He just turns up, drives the fastest car and wins. I've heard quite a few people saying in when you mention you're going to watch the Grand Prix on telly, they just say 'what's the point, Hamilton will just win because he's got the fastest car'.

Well, they’re wrong. Hamilton didn’t have the fastest car for the majority of the season. So it shows what joe public / non racing fans really know!

As if you know any better.........

A few months ago, in this very thread, LDN was spreading his usual falsehood regarding the past and presenting his opinions and interpretations as fact, all in his love for Hamilton and his belief that he is the best driver of the past 25 years.

He dismissed me as “not knowing F1” when I challenged him on his misinformation.

[swisstoni]

Mercedes have dominated for a while so it’s natural for the casual viewer to assume that it’s just a case of get in and win for Hamilton.

More serious observers of the whole season wouldn’t have that opinion if they understood what they were seeing.

[glazbagun]

swisstoni said:

Mercedes have dominated for a while so it’s natural for the casual viewer to assume that it’s just a case of get in and win for Hamilton.

More serious observers of the whole season wouldn’t have that opinion if they understood what they were seeing.

Which is what you'd hope from a BBC article covering the year ahead in sport. Not least as Formula 1 is listed second on their Sports page.

I know it's popular to talk about things dumbing down, but that organisation really seems to have fallen off a cliff this past decade.

[paulguitar]

whatxd said:

REALIST123 said:

LDN said:

eccles said:

Look at it objectively, from a non motor sport fans point of view. To many people Hamilton has won this years championship because he's got the fastest car. He just turns up, drives the fastest car and wins. I've heard quite a few people saying in when you mention you're going to watch the Grand Prix on telly, they just say 'what's the point, Hamilton will just win because he's got the fastest car'.

Well, they’re wrong. Hamilton didn’t have the fastest car for the majority of the season. So it shows what joe public / non racing fans really know!

As if you know any better.........

A few months ago, in this very thread, LDN was spreading his usual falsehood regarding the past and presenting his opinions and interpretations as fact, all in his love for Hamilton and his belief that he is the best driver of the past 25 years.

He dismissed me as “not knowing F1” when I challenged him on his misinformation.

It's amazing how this thread goes round and round.

Pretty much the most telling fact is that Hamilton is always voted as the driver of the year by the team principals. There are a few geniuses here posting from their armchairs that consider themselves far better qualified than the team bosses and those folks entertain us week in week out. Obviously, it is somewhat pointless to take them too seriously though!

[HighwayStar]

glazbagun said:

swisstoni said:

Mercedes have dominated for a while so it’s natural for the casual viewer to assume that it’s just a case of get in and win for Hamilton.

More serious observers of the whole season wouldn’t have that opinion if they understood what they were seeing.

Which is what you'd hope from a BBC article covering the year ahead in sport. Not least as Formula 1 is listed second on their Sports page.

I know it's popular to talk about things dumbing down, but that organisation really seems to have fallen off a cliff this past decade.

I don’t know if dumbing down is the right word... the BBC covers a lot of sports but their primary focus is stuff they actually cover live, Football (FA Cup plus footie is always big news), Rugby, Tennis, Athletics and a bit of Golf. F1 isn’t pushed or more to the point, in detail, on tv (beyond Sky/Ch4) or in sports sections... when they do mostly it’s missing that detail, what really goes on behind getting the cars to the first race, what the drivers do, what racing actually entails. What it actually takes to get the car over the line. Hence people who say it’s easy, anyone could drive an F1 car. Lewis had the best car, it’s the only reason he wins. That’s how we end up where we are.

[paulguitar]

HighwayStar said:

Hence people who say it’s easy, anyone could drive an F1 car. Lewis had the best car, it’s the only reason he wins. That’s how we end up where we are.

He didn't though, this season.

[whatxd]

paulguitar said:

whatxd said:

REALIST123 said:

LDN said:

eccles said:

Look at it objectively, from a non motor sport fans point of view. To many people Hamilton has won this years championship because he's got the fastest car. He just turns up, drives the fastest car and wins. I've heard quite a few people saying in when you mention you're going to watch the Grand Prix on telly, they just say 'what's the point, Hamilton will just win because he's got the fastest car'.

Well, they’re wrong. Hamilton didn’t have the fastest car for the majority of the season. So it shows what joe public / non racing fans really know!

As if you know any better.........

A few months ago, in this very thread, LDN was spreading his usual falsehood regarding the past and presenting his opinions and interpretations as fact, all in his love for Hamilton and his belief that he is the best driver of the past 25 years.

He dismissed me as “not knowing F1” when I challenged him on his misinformation.

It's amazing how this thread goes round and round.

Pretty much the most telling fact is that Hamilton is always voted as the driver of the year by the team principals. There are a few geniuses here posting from their armchairs that consider themselves far better qualified than the team bosses and those folks entertain us week in week out. Obviously, it is somewhat pointless to take them too seriously though!

You’ve got me all wrong. I don’t think Hamilton is the best driver of the last 25 years. There’s still time for my mind to be changed though, we’ll see when he retires.

I do think he’s the best on the current grid, by some distance.

[anonymous-user]

eccles said:

glazbagun said:

Sporting highlights for 2019:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/46608285

F1 doesn't even get a mention despite the UK's WDC having an excellent season when only excellence would do, and with the potential to get within touching distance of most successful WDC of all time.

Look at it objectively, from a non motor sport fans point of view. To many people Hamilton has won this years championship because he's got the fastest car. He just turns up, drives the fastest car and wins. I've heard quite a few people saying in when you mention you're going to watch the Grand Prix on telly, they just say 'what's the point, Hamilton will just win because he's got the fastest car'.

You're wasting your time with the casual viewer, most people have little to no idea of how difficult it is to drive an F1 car competitively. I just don't bother with them. Usually they will slag of motorsport and then wax lyrical about football... at that point I know I have not the slightest desire to engage with them any further!

[HighwayStar]

paulguitar said:

HighwayStar said:

Hence people who say it’s easy, anyone could drive an F1 car. Lewis had the best car, it’s the only reason he wins. That’s how we end up where we are.

He didn't though, this season.

I agree... it wasn’t what I was saying... people say he had the best car, that’s how we end up with people saying F1 is rubbish, it’s not about the driver etc

[LDN]

whatxd said:

REALIST123 said:

LDN said:

eccles said:

Look at it objectively, from a non motor sport fans point of view. To many people Hamilton has won this years championship because he's got the fastest car. He just turns up, drives the fastest car and wins. I've heard quite a few people saying in when you mention you're going to watch the Grand Prix on telly, they just say 'what's the point, Hamilton will just win because he's got the fastest car'.

Well, they’re wrong. Hamilton didn’t have the fastest car for the majority of the season. So it shows what joe public / non racing fans really know!

As if you know any better.........

A few months ago, in this very thread, LDN was spreading his usual falsehood regarding the past and presenting his opinions and interpretations as fact, all in his love for Hamilton and his belief that he is the best driver of the past 25 years.

He dismissed me as “not knowing F1” when I challenged him on his misinformation.

I’m flattered you’ve remembered me and that it’s had such an effect. I don’t remember you or any conversation we’ve ever had online; apologies.

In any case, Hamilton didn’t have the fastest car for the majority of the season; so ... unfortunately, I’m right.

[HighwayStar]

LDN said:

whatxd said:

REALIST123 said:

LDN said:

eccles said:

Look at it objectively, from a non motor sport fans point of view. To many people Hamilton has won this years championship because he's got the fastest car. He just turns up, drives the fastest car and wins. I've heard quite a few people saying in when you mention you're going to watch the Grand Prix on telly, they just say 'what's the point, Hamilton will just win because he's got the fastest car'.

Well, they’re wrong. Hamilton didn’t have the fastest car for the majority of the season. So it shows what joe public / non racing fans really know!

As if you know any better.........

A few months ago, in this very thread, LDN was spreading his usual falsehood regarding the past and presenting his opinions and interpretations as fact, all in his love for Hamilton and his belief that he is the best driver of the past 25 years.

He dismissed me as “not knowing F1” when I challenged him on his misinformation.

I’m flattered you’ve remembered me and that it’s had such an effect. I don’t remember you or any conversation we’ve ever had online; apologies.

In any case, Hamilton didn’t have the fastest car for the majority of the season; so ... unfortunately, I’m right.

And the clincher, the killer blow...
'Ferrari would have won with Lewis Hamilton' - Luca di Montezemolo

https://m.wheels24.co.za/FormulaOne/ferrari-would-...

[paulguitar]

HighwayStar said:

And the clincher, the killer blow...
'Ferrari would have won with Lewis Hamilton' - Luca di Montezemolo

https://m.wheels24.co.za/FormulaOne/ferrari-would-...

Yes, yes, but as has been pointed out before, there are several posters here who know A LOT more about F1 than the present and retired drivers, all of the team managers and Luca di Montezemolo.

[LDN]

HighwayStar said:

LDN said:

whatxd said:

REALIST123 said:

LDN said:

eccles said:

Look at it objectively, from a non motor sport fans point of view. To many people Hamilton has won this years championship because he's got the fastest car. He just turns up, drives the fastest car and wins. I've heard quite a few people saying in when you mention you're going to watch the Grand Prix on telly, they just say 'what's the point, Hamilton will just win because he's got the fastest car'.

Well, they’re wrong. Hamilton didn’t have the fastest car for the majority of the season. So it shows what joe public / non racing fans really know!

As if you know any better.........

A few months ago, in this very thread, LDN was spreading his usual falsehood regarding the past and presenting his opinions and interpretations as fact, all in his love for Hamilton and his belief that he is the best driver of the past 25 years.

He dismissed me as “not knowing F1” when I challenged him on his misinformation.

I’m flattered you’ve remembered me and that it’s had such an effect. I don’t remember you or any conversation we’ve ever had online; apologies.

In any case, Hamilton didn’t have the fastest car for the majority of the season; so ... unfortunately, I’m right.

And the clincher, the killer blow...
'Ferrari would have won with Lewis Hamilton' - Luca di Montezemolo

https://m.wheels24.co.za/FormulaOne/ferrari-would-...

indeed!

[Kraken]

Funny how Hamilton supposedly didn't have the fastest car but won the title but if a Button fan says that about 2009 the Hamilton fanboys go into meltdown about how the Brawn was the most incredible car ever made.

[37chevy]

Kraken said:

Funny how Hamilton supposedly didn't have the fastest car but won the title but if a Button fan says that about 2009 the Hamilton fanboys go into meltdown about how the Brawn was the most incredible car ever made.

There’s a couple of HUGE differences here.

The Brawn exploited a massive loophole in the rules, designed a chassis around a double/ blown diffuser that no one else could replicate because of the chassis rules.

Hamilton DIDNT have the fastest car for the first half of the season, Ferrari WERE the fastest and lead the championship until Mercedes out developed them and Hamilton’s driving broke them down.

2 entirely different seasons

[LDN]

Kraken said:

Funny how Hamilton supposedly didn't have the fastest car but won the title but if a Button fan says that about 2009 the Hamilton fanboys go into meltdown about how the Brawn was the most incredible car ever made.

You seem to be emotionally involved somehow? The speed traps and stats show that the Mercedes was not the fastest car for the majority of the 2018 season. Hamilton won the WDC. Hamilton fan or not; that’s that. As for Button in the Brawn; that was quite a unique season but Button most certainly deserved his title.

[HighwayStar]

Kraken said:

Funny how Hamilton supposedly didn't have the fastest car but won the title but if a Button fan says that about 2009 the Hamilton fanboys go into meltdown about how the Brawn was the most incredible car ever made.

Supposedly... you’re implying he didn’t or don’t believe he didn’t have the fastest car when it was widely said in the media that the Ferrari was the faster, better car... so, tell us what you know. Back it up?
No comment re what Luca de Montazemolo said though. You’re ignoring that I guess...?
As has been said, the Brawn was thee classic example of exploiting the rules to the limit where no one else did. I don’t remember anyone going into meltdown and saying Jenson didn’t deserve it. They gave him the best car and exploited it to get the fullest.

[Cold]

37chevy said:

There’s a couple of HUGE differences here.

The Brawn exploited a massive loophole in the rules, designed a chassis around a double/ blown diffuser that no one else could replicate because of the chassis rules.

Hamilton DIDNT have the fastest car for the first half of the season, Ferrari WERE the fastest and lead the championship until Mercedes out developed them and Hamilton’s driving broke them down.

2 entirely different seasons

Doesn't that rather deflate the claim of Luca di Montezemolo? It seems to suggest that Hamilton would have won in the fastest car - which is what has already been noted.

[swisstoni]

Cold said:

37chevy said:

There’s a couple of HUGE differences here.

The Brawn exploited a massive loophole in the rules, designed a chassis around a double/ blown diffuser that no one else could replicate because of the chassis rules.

Hamilton DIDNT have the fastest car for the first half of the season, Ferrari WERE the fastest and lead the championship until Mercedes out developed them and Hamilton’s driving broke them down.

2 entirely different seasons

Doesn't that rather deflate the claim of Luca di Montezemolo? It seems to suggest that Hamilton would have won in the fastest car - which is what has already been noted.

Yes Hamilton would have won in the fastest car.
I think we can all agree on that one.

As it was, he managed to win in what wasn’t the fastest car for a good part of the season.
Ferrari weren’t able to press home their advantage when they had it due to a string of stunning weekends from Hamilton.

[BigBen]

37chevy said:

There’s a couple of HUGE differences here.

The Brawn exploited a massive loophole in the rules, designed a chassis around a double/ blown diffuser that no one else could replicate because of the chassis rules.

No one else apart from the two other teams (Williams and Toyota) that also had double deck diffusers.