Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[Dr Interceptor]

Siao said:

BigBen said:

Digga said:

Siao said:

RB Will said:

Siao said:

Edit to add: what's with the full wets on a dry sunny day?

Probably so it doesn’t count as testing / data gathering.

Thanks, certainly a possibility I guess

Maybe to do with temperature.

Is it too cold for slicks to work?

IIRC they have an allowance for a certain number of media laps each year which are done on control tyres, i.e. special ones that seriously limit the amount of useful data that can be generated to avoid teams doing 1,000,000 media laps which are not testing honestly.....

Interestingly, here's Lando running in Barcelona on yellow walled slicks... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEp7zGIH9PA

I wonder how they get away with this kind of 'testing'

[PhilAsia]

Sandpit Steve said:

Siao said:

You do realise, I hope, that the car behind is still responsible for rear ending someone...

On the public highway yes. On a racetrack, not so much.

Max reduced his speed from 304 to 108 km/h, with a deceleration of 2.4G, on a curved but usually flat-out piece of racetrack.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wmGZWiPa2R8 (telemetry)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QS4Z38HhsMc (As it happened. Warning: shouty Crofty)

They were damn lucky there wasn’t a car behind them, coming around the blind corner with 200 kph closing speed.

I had presumed that his comment was about the highway. On track there is only one outcome for a closely following competitor being brake tested. The same outcome would be the result on the road if there was a compromised following distance.

[paulguitar]

PhilAsia said:

I had presumed that his comment was about the highway. On track there is only one outcome for a closely following competitor being brake tested. The same outcome would be the result on the road if there was a compromised following distance.

There is never any excuse for brake-testing on a circuit. Max should have been black-flagged and banned for the next race (at least) for that. It's not been explained why he wasn't, but I have a sneaking suspicion it might have been something to do with maintaining 'The Show' as long as possible.

[Siao]

Sandpit Steve said:

Siao said:

You do realise, I hope, that the car behind is still responsible for rear ending someone...

On the public highway yes. On a racetrack, not so much.

Max reduced his speed from 304 to 108 km/h, with a deceleration of 2.4G, on a curved but usually flat-out piece of racetrack.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wmGZWiPa2R8 (telemetry)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QS4Z38HhsMc (As it happened. Warning: shouty Crofty)

They were damn lucky there wasn’t a car behind them, coming around the blind corner with 200 kph closing speed.

I replied to a post talking about the motorway. I agree about the race track, although I still think that they were both playing silly buggers, with Max having the responsibility of the crash.

[Siao]

PhilAsia said:

Sandpit Steve said:

Siao said:

You do realise, I hope, that the car behind is still responsible for rear ending someone...

On the public highway yes. On a racetrack, not so much.

Max reduced his speed from 304 to 108 km/h, with a deceleration of 2.4G, on a curved but usually flat-out piece of racetrack.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wmGZWiPa2R8 (telemetry)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QS4Z38HhsMc (As it happened. Warning: shouty Crofty)

They were damn lucky there wasn’t a car behind them, coming around the blind corner with 200 kph closing speed.

I had presumed that his comment was about the highway. On track there is only one outcome for a closely following competitor being brake tested. The same outcome would be the result on the road if there was a compromised following distance.

Yes, thank you mate.

[Maxdecel]

Sandpit Steve said:

On the public highway yes. On a racetrack, not so much.
Max reduced his speed from 304 to 108 km/h, with a deceleration of 2.4G, on a curved but usually flat-out piece of racetrack.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wmGZWiPa2R8 (telemetry)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QS4Z38HhsMc (As it happened. Warning: shouty Crofty)

They were damn lucky there wasn’t a car behind them, coming around the blind corner with 200 kph closing speed.

To be fair to Croft he was correct about giving the place back while positioning the car in the middle of the track, I didn't realise the RB was launched in to the air either. How did LH's wing remain attached after an impact as big as that.

[vdn]

I 8 a 4RE said:

Why have people started to resent LH over the years?

Here’s a guy who insisted Mercedes change the colour of their F1 car be changed after one recidivist was killed by police (probably making the world a better place).

But stays complete quiet on Russia / Ukraine?
(Probably because many Mercs sold in Russia that pay his wages.)

What an abomination

[paulguitar]

I 8 a 4RE said:

Why have people started to resent LH over the years?

Here’s a guy who insisted Mercedes change the colour of their F1 car be changed after one recidivist was killed by police (probably making the world a better place).

But stays complete quiet on Russia / Ukraine?
(Probably because many Mercs sold in Russia that pay his wages.)

What an abomination

Bless you, poppet.

[swisstoni]

Screw loose.

[mw88]

I 8 a 4RE said:

Why have people started to resent LH over the years?

Here’s a guy who insisted Mercedes change the colour of their F1 car be changed after one recidivist was killed by police (probably making the world a better place).

But stays complete quiet on Russia / Ukraine?
(Probably because many Mercs sold in Russia that pay his wages.)

What an abomination

Hamilton speaks out - People moan
Hamilton keeps quiet - People moan

[paulguitar]

mw88 said:

Hamilton speaks out - People moan
Hamilton keeps quiet - People moan

You should have seen the post he did that was just removed.



It's interesting how Hamilton causes some people to completely lose their ability to act normally. I think he seems to reveal some traits that exist in more people than we'd like to think possess them.

[RB Will]

mw88 said:

Hamilton speaks out - People moan
Hamilton keeps quiet - People moan

I think, and haven't verified the data on this and don't watch their socials so may be entirely wrong, just going on feeling.

It isn't the problem that Hamilton speaks out, it is the selectiveness with what he speaks out about and with how and where he does it maybe makes it feel a bit not genuine or self serving.

Contrast to someone like Vettel who as far I am aware (very possibly wrong) over the last year is clearing up garbage, promoting green stuff, anti racism bits, supporting LGBT, saying he wont go to Russia etc, just doing everything everywhere.

[MarkwG]

RB Will said:

mw88 said:

Hamilton speaks out - People moan
Hamilton keeps quiet - People moan

I think, and haven't verified the data on this and don't watch their socials so may be entirely wrong, just going on feeling.

It isn't the problem that Hamilton speaks out, it is the selectiveness with what he speaks out about and with how and where he does it maybe makes it feel a bit not genuine or self serving.

Contrast to someone like Vettel who as far I am aware (very possibly wrong) over the last year is clearing up garbage, promoting green stuff, anti racism bits, supporting LGBT, saying he wont go to Russia etc, just doing everything everywhere.

Taking your post at face value & in third person - I don't think the evidence supports that viewpoint. I agree that what Vettel is doing is great, but he didn't say much before Hamilton got the ball rolling. Hamilton has supported environmental campaigns, indeed took flack for being a hypocrite that Vettel hasn't for some reason; regarding LGBTQ+, he's been "accused" of being gay in the past that I don't recall Vettel getting (Ralf Schumacher did, it's fair to say) yet he condemned the repressions in Saudi last year before the race; he's made statements about the Russian invasion on social media this week, & I'm sure he's also picked up the odd bit of litter in his time too. For some reason, where Vettel gets plaudits, Hamilton gets brickbats. I might surmise why I think that might be, but that's individual to each person.

Formula E - https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-extre...
LGBTQ+ - https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/dec/02/lewi...
Russian invasion of Ukraine - https://www.republicworld.com/sports-news/other-sp...

[swisstoni]

RB Will said:

mw88 said:

Hamilton speaks out - People moan
Hamilton keeps quiet - People moan

I think, and haven't verified the data on this and don't watch their socials so may be entirely wrong, just going on feeling.

It isn't the problem that Hamilton speaks out, it is the selectiveness with what he speaks out about and with how and where he does it maybe makes it feel a bit not genuine or self serving.

Contrast to someone like Vettel who as far I am aware (very possibly wrong) over the last year is clearing up garbage, promoting green stuff, anti racism bits, supporting LGBT, saying he wont go to Russia etc, just doing everything everywhere.

And I suppose if Hamilton DID have something to say about ‘everything everywhere’ you’d have nothing but good things to say about that, would you?

[mw88]

RB Will said:

mw88 said:

Hamilton speaks out - People moan
Hamilton keeps quiet - People moan

I think, and haven't verified the data on this and don't watch their socials so may be entirely wrong, just going on feeling.

It isn't the problem that Hamilton speaks out, it is the selectiveness with what he speaks out about and with how and where he does it maybe makes it feel a bit not genuine or self serving.

Contrast to someone like Vettel who as far I am aware (very possibly wrong) over the last year is clearing up garbage, promoting green stuff, anti racism bits, supporting LGBT, saying he wont go to Russia etc, just doing everything everywhere.

So Hamilton speaks up about stuff that's close to him?

I'm not a Hamilton fan, but even if he did say something about Russia/Ukraine (Not sure why he needs to?), there'd be no end of people telling him he should keep politics out of F1.

[RB Will]

swisstoni said:

And I suppose if Hamilton DID have something to say about ‘everything everywhere’ you’d have nothing but good things to say about that, would you?

Don’t really care either way personally. The only thing he does as a person rather than a racer that annoys me is forcing his dog to be vegan and yes I feel the same about anyone that does that not just people of certain skin tones before anyone starts

[paulguitar]

RB Will said:

Don’t really care either way personally. The only thing he does as a person rather than a racer that annoys me is forcing his dog to be vegan and yes I feel the same about anyone that does that not just people of certain skin tones before anyone starts

I'm pretty sure Roscoe will be one of the most well looked after dogs on the planet and will have a very healthy diet.

[Bo_apex]

paulguitar said:

I'm pretty sure Roscoe will be one of the most well looked after dogs on the planet and will have a very healthy diet.

Except that Hamilton's dog has been denied his freedom of choice.

[paulguitar]

Bo_apex said:

paulguitar said:

I'm pretty sure Roscoe will be one of the most well looked after dogs on the planet and will have a very healthy diet.

Except that Hamilton's dog has been denied his freedom of choice.

He'd be denied that if he had a steak-only diet too, wouldn't he?

[StRemy]

He probably has had too many yacht parties with oligarchs in his fiscal homeland Montecarlo to speak against the invasion.

Vettel on the other hand seems a much more down to Earth guy.

Edited by StRemy on Saturday 26th February 15:55