Redbull not to use Renault engines in 2016
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I don't think McLaren are in a position to veto Honda supplying Red Bull and having two teams running their engines ought to help Honda develop them more quickly.
We often hear (from McLaren) how good their chassis is and how if they had a front-running engine they'd be creaming the opposition. We know how good Red Bull's chassis are so it would be interesting to see how they matched up with the same engines.
If RB do get a Honda power-pack then I'm sure that McLaren will want to have first dibs on any upgrades as payback for having such a s
tty year with Honda this season, which is only fair I suppose.
We often hear (from McLaren) how good their chassis is and how if they had a front-running engine they'd be creaming the opposition. We know how good Red Bull's chassis are so it would be interesting to see how they matched up with the same engines.
If RB do get a Honda power-pack then I'm sure that McLaren will want to have first dibs on any upgrades as payback for having such a s
tty year with Honda this season, which is only fair I suppose.rohrl said:
We often hear (from McLaren) how good their chassis is and how if they had a front-running engine they'd be creaming the opposition.
I'd have to disagree. They say they would do better, but it's certainly not all the time, and certainly not that they'd be beating everyone. Just some people like to think they're saying that.They've appeared to be more competitive at tracks that need more mechanical grip and chassis balance such as Singapore, Monaco and Hungary compared to 'power' tracks like Spa and Monza. This suggests the chassis, aero and mechanical grip is in the ballpark, they're just suffering because of the limitations of the ERS.
Leroy902 said:
It really does show just how much big manufacturers fear a competitive redbull. Ferrari/mercs/mclaren. Who'd have thought 10 years ago.
Errr that's pretty obvious isn't it....? They're 4 times constructors champions in 4 consecutive years.
We're not talking about them giving them an engine to Marussia
The only engine Red Bull are going to have next year is Renault. We are now the end of October, testing starts on the 22nd February. Knock off a week for shake down and transportation, the cars need to be ready on the 15th February. That gives them 15 weeks to agree a deal, understand the installation requirements of the new engine, design the parts, procure the parts and install it.
With the V8, where the engines where largely similar, that might have been do-able, with these turbo charged hybrid units, and all the extra systems to cope with. No chance.
The longer this goes on for, the more chance I see of Red Bull quitting.
With the V8, where the engines where largely similar, that might have been do-able, with these turbo charged hybrid units, and all the extra systems to cope with. No chance.
The longer this goes on for, the more chance I see of Red Bull quitting.
glazbagun said:
Looking at how the Red Bulls were all over the Mercs at the wet beginning of Austin does lead me to think that the thought of RB with a halfway decent engine not just a suboptimal but rather a terrifying thought for Merc & Ferrari!
no doubt their high downforce aero package is the best out there, they were able to get the tyres to work off the line, took the merc's 2-3 laps.this is a very specific point, and even if they had had the same engine, their advantage with it would have still only been the first few laps, they then would have been into tyre eating just like the others, albeit probably from the lead!
Megaflow said:
The only engine Red Bull are going to have next year is Renault. We are now the end of October, testing starts on the 22nd February. Knock off a week for shake down and transportation, the cars need to be ready on the 15th February. That gives them 15 weeks to agree a deal, understand the installation requirements of the new engine, design the parts, procure the parts and install it.
With the V8, where the engines where largely similar, that might have been do-able, with these turbo charged hybrid units, and all the extra systems to cope with. No chance.
The longer this goes on for, the more chance I see of Red Bull quitting.
Unless of course the deal was actually done a long time ago and there is all sorts of political posturing going on....With the V8, where the engines where largely similar, that might have been do-able, with these turbo charged hybrid units, and all the extra systems to cope with. No chance.
The longer this goes on for, the more chance I see of Red Bull quitting.
You never really know whats really happening these days!
Scuffers said:
glazbagun said:
Looking at how the Red Bulls were all over the Mercs at the wet beginning of Austin does lead me to think that the thought of RB with a halfway decent engine not just a suboptimal but rather a terrifying thought for Merc & Ferrari!
no doubt their high downforce aero package is the best out there, they were able to get the tyres to work off the line, took the merc's 2-3 laps.this is a very specific point, and even if they had had the same engine, their advantage with it would have still only been the first few laps, they then would have been into tyre eating just like the others, albeit probably from the lead!
London424 said:
I assumed Redbull had effectively gone for a full wet/max downforce setup (I know there isn't as much difference as there once was). Once the dry tyres were on they were sitting ducks (even more than normal) on any of the fast bits, and not just to the Mercs.
exactly..the sister team Toro Rosso's cars with the same engines came in 4th and 7th vs. Ricciardo's 10th.
Scuffers said:
London424 said:
I assumed Redbull had effectively gone for a full wet/max downforce setup (I know there isn't as much difference as there once was). Once the dry tyres were on they were sitting ducks (even more than normal) on any of the fast bits, and not just to the Mercs.
exactly..the sister team Toro Rosso's cars with the same engines came in 4th and 7th vs. Ricciardo's 10th.
I will say though that Ricciardo isn't really a fair metric for comparison with the Torro Rossos this weekend, having been clouted so heavily by Hulkenberg.
That RB were running a wet setup was obvious, they had a serious amount of rake on, their rear ride height looked like it could've been practically double that of the Mercedes, for instance.
seems they are squirting lighter fluid on all their bridges and olive branches.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/10054104/re...
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/10054104/re...
Rick_1138 said:
seems they are squirting lighter fluid on all their bridges and olive branches.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/10054104/re...
What a colossal ahttp://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/10054104/re...
hole he appears to be 
Rick_1138 said:
seems they are squirting lighter fluid on all their bridges and olive branches.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/10054104/re...
It's a game of high stakes poker with Mateschitz, Ecclestone and CVC at the table.http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/10054104/re...
There will undoubtedly be much more going on behind the scenes than is apparent. But Ecclestone and CVC know that regardless of the size of DM's stack of chips on the table, his pockets are deeper than either of them.
Scuffers said:
MartG said:
What a colossal ahole he appears to be
spot on...hole he appears to be to be blunt, I wish they would just FRU now and let somebody else take it on.
NRS said:
Have to agree. There is a difference between pushing for something and basically demanding it. If I was Ferrari or Mercedes I'd demand that Red Bull supply all their aero work and that they're just being scared if they don't share since they will get beaten. If they share the aero work then they can get an engine. Pure idiocy to expect a team to have to give away their competitive advantage to a competitor.
and, putting it bluntly, I don't believe that's why Merc told then to FRU.I think that Merc & Ferrari simply do not want to have to deal with them as they are duplicitous to55ers.
I presume that Mateschitz is trying to engineer a situation where he can leave F1 without having to pay Bernie/CVC the fee for not staying until 2020. Doing it this way he can say that he can't continue as there is no engine for his teams to use. Literally burning the bridges gives him an escape route as it does appear he doesn't want to play the game any more, certainly not unless there is a very uneven playing field in which he is clearly at the top.
Can't beleive I'm thinking this but I hope I am wrong and Bernie has written contracts to ensure Mateschitz pays up. But if that is the case hopefully the other teams will get a share of the departure money - and there goes a pig flying past the window.
Can't beleive I'm thinking this but I hope I am wrong and Bernie has written contracts to ensure Mateschitz pays up. But if that is the case hopefully the other teams will get a share of the departure money - and there goes a pig flying past the window.
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