The Official 2018 Mexican GP *** Spoilers***
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DeltonaS said:
_Leg_ said:
visitinglondon said:
Jackie Stewart looking bitter as f
k.
Standard look for him once he realised that Lewis was going to surpass his three titles.
Miserable tartan ...
That's nearly word for word what I just said to my mate watching the race with me hahaha.k.Standard look for him once he realised that Lewis was going to surpass his three titles.
Miserable tartan
...Complete different times.
And awkard to the Max that Hamilton get's so much praise when his car is on a different planet compared to the rest of the field.
For the fifth year in a row…
As for the Mercedes being on a different planet, whilst there's no denying the two Mercs are two of the best 4 cars on the grid the Ferraris are at least a match for them. Vettel just makes mistakes under pressure (even when not under pressure) and Kimi, love him as we all do, isn't hungry for it anymore. By the same token Bottas just isn't hungry enough from the outset.
But, more importantly, there's being a great driver and there's being a great F1 driver and being superb not only in the seat but in the gym, in the team and at the negotiating table and getting the right seat. It's always been about the whole package and it always will be. Alonso could have had 5 championships but couldn't get the elements of being an F1 driver out of the seat right.
I wish I could be bothered to drag up all the comments about Hamilton being mad to move to the floundering Mercedes team from McLaren.
I race, at a very, very low level and obviously a million miles away from the F1 guys and the amount of energy and effort it takes to put a team together, get a car prepped, get to a race weekend, practice, qualify and compete at the front of the grid is absolutely massive so I have huge respect for all of the teams in f1. The people must have huge amounts of energy. I can't even begin to comprehend the effort it takes for Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull to be at the front or, even more so, for Williams et al to endure the down years. Massive respect to them all cos I'm sat at the end of a season with next year to organise and it's bloody hard work and I'm pissing about at the bottom of motor racing.
Edited by _Leg_ on Sunday 28th October 22:28
DeltonaS said:
_Leg_ said:
visitinglondon said:
Jackie Stewart looking bitter as fk.
Standard look for him once he realised that Lewis was going to surpass his three titles.
Miserable tartan ...
That's nearly word for word what I just said to my mate watching the race with me hahaha.k.Standard look for him once he realised that Lewis was going to surpass his three titles.
Miserable tartan
...Complete different times.
And awkard to the Max that Hamilton get's so much praise when his car is on a different planet compared to the rest of the field.
For the fifth year in a row…
_Leg_ said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I don't get comparing generations of drivers could Fangio ever understand the technical side of driving that a whole different sport on its own.
The bravery of the early drivers is without doubt unmatched and equally their skill levels driving those monsters on dodgy track is unrivalled.
But Lewis and Seb's generation are complete athletes , Drivers, engineers and so much more. I think they all have incredible driving skills but todays drivers are just so special
Absolutely. I can't see any of the current drivers saying, "In that? No roll cage? No harness? No HANS? No Helmet? No fireproofs? Tracks with hay bales? 180mph?........yeah ok" any more than I can see Fangio, Nuvolari or Ascari saying, "Laptops? 3 hours a day in the gym? Simulators? - Yeah, no problem".The bravery of the early drivers is without doubt unmatched and equally their skill levels driving those monsters on dodgy track is unrivalled.
But Lewis and Seb's generation are complete athletes , Drivers, engineers and so much more. I think they all have incredible driving skills but todays drivers are just so special
I suspect the step backwards would be harder than the step forwards though.
It’s difficult to compare across eras, but Lewis is a true great. Who knows how today’s drivers would fare with a manual box. I’m sure they’d cope perfectly because they are consummate drivers, but watching Senna change gear manually is special.
jsf said:
DeltonaS said:
Said one spotty teenager to another.
Complete different times.
And awkard to the Max that Hamilton get's so much praise when his car is on a different planet compared to the rest of the field.
For the fifth year in a row…
You just watched a race where the Ferrari and Red Bull was faster.Complete different times.
And awkard to the Max that Hamilton get's so much praise when his car is on a different planet compared to the rest of the field.
For the fifth year in a row…
He didn’t watch it.
And there is a pretty strong argument that Lewis just won the title in the second best car.
Kenny Powers said:
DeltonaS said:
And awkard to the Max that Hamilton get's so much praise when his car is on a different planet compared to the rest of the field.
For the fifth year in a row…
For the fifth year in a row…
Do you even follow the sport?
He’s a troll. Save your fingers!
Kenny Powers said:
DeltonaS said:
And awkard to the Max that Hamilton get's so much praise when his car is on a different planet compared to the rest of the field.
For the fifth year in a row…
For the fifth year in a row…
Do you even follow the sport?
Mr Pointy said:
Mercedes are going to be incandescent if they don’t win the Constructors.
Yep a very real possibility with the way their cars have started eating tyres. As happy as they will be that Lewis has wrapped up the drivers championship, they will have some serious concerns going into the last two races. 37chevy said:
To be fair to Jackie he was very complimentary about Lewis prior to the race on Sky. I suspect he is warming to Lewis the older he gets. I arse agree with him that Clark and Fangio are still the greatest
Is that a typo?I agree. I have massive respect for any drivers who raced in F1 before the mid 1980s. They had so much death and trauma to deal with on a fairly frequent basis. I don't think any modern drivers - or fans - have an iota of an inkling how this spectre laid so heavily on those drivers' careers and the decisions they made in respect of that career.
Stewart retired fairly young precisely because he didn't want to die in a racing car. I expect that, if he was racing in the modern era, he would have stayed on and won a few more titles. However, love for his family and a sense of responsibility to them surpassed his willingness to risk death every other weekend.
I expected a bit of a kerfuffle into the first corner and then into the hairpin, and then for it to be Hamilton going for the title. One out of two is pretty good for me.
Given the WDC, Hamilton ran a good race. He stayed out of trouble and was comfortably in 5th whatever happened once a Red Bull went down. If Verstappen retired, it would have put Vet into the position he needed, but would have given Hamilton an extra position.
Verstappen put in a remarkable performance. Is it the aero that protects the RB's tyres?
Thrilling race from Hulk backwards.
A well deserved WDC.
It was in interesting race, with Hamilton's tyres meaning the championship was not done and dusted, especially given Hamilton's decision to leave the track. I think the radio messages showed that he was of the same opinion.
Ricc spent a few laps close behind Hamilton and then a little later his engine went bang. Coincidence or are there cooling problems with the RBs.
I had a bet with a Ferrari fan that Vettel would collide with another car on the first lap. I was told he was much too sensible. So perhaps it is two out of three. Pretty cool.
Given the WDC, Hamilton ran a good race. He stayed out of trouble and was comfortably in 5th whatever happened once a Red Bull went down. If Verstappen retired, it would have put Vet into the position he needed, but would have given Hamilton an extra position.
Verstappen put in a remarkable performance. Is it the aero that protects the RB's tyres?
Thrilling race from Hulk backwards.
A well deserved WDC.
It was in interesting race, with Hamilton's tyres meaning the championship was not done and dusted, especially given Hamilton's decision to leave the track. I think the radio messages showed that he was of the same opinion.
Ricc spent a few laps close behind Hamilton and then a little later his engine went bang. Coincidence or are there cooling problems with the RBs.
I had a bet with a Ferrari fan that Vettel would collide with another car on the first lap. I was told he was much too sensible. So perhaps it is two out of three. Pretty cool.
_Leg_ said:
I wish I could be bothered to drag up all the comments about Hamilton being mad to move to the floundering Mercedes team from McLaren.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I remember at the time thinking that it was a massive gamble, and if it paid off he would look prescient and if it did not then he would look like an utter berk. As it turned out, it was the former. That does not in any way alter the fact that it was an enormous risk. What is "obvious" with hindsight was not so at the time.
What was even more of a bonus was his 2013 season. He moved at the end of the 2012 season (if I remember correctly) in anticipation that Mercedes Benz would have a big advantage come the 2014 regulations, and almost got the impression he had written off 2013. But as it turned out, Mercedes-Benz managed to put together rather a good 2013 contender, which was surely icing on the cake.
Derek Smith said:
Ricc spent a few laps close behind Hamilton and then a little later his engine went bang. Coincidence or are there cooling problems with the RBs.
I believe the RB failure was hydraulic. Although I suppose it’s conceivable that this was heat related, I don’t think his engine went bang as such.ukaskew said:
Yep a very real possibility with the way their cars have started eating tyres. As happy as they will be that Lewis has wrapped up the drivers championship, they will have some serious concerns going into the last two races.
Agree. When Toto was interviewed post race on Sky he said the most important win was the WDC. He had his fingers firmly crossed and although that was what came out of his mouth you could tell he didn't mean it. The Constructors Championship means everything to the teams. Mercedes had better get their act together for last 2 races as Seb will see the WCC as consolation now the WDC is settled.Derek Smith said:
Verstappen put in a remarkable performance. Is it the aero that protects the RB's tyres?
I think the Red Bull has good mechanical grip traits that work well with the all round aero to need less aggressive downforce settings. Their car runs a different rake and uses the underbody more than the Merc and the Ferrari. Without the grunt of the Merc and Ferrari power units they have had to try and make up for it at some tracks by running a slightly more skinny set up and this compromises them performance wise until they get to a track that is not power limited like Mexico (altitude) or Monaco (windy). There the combination of good all round mechanical design, balance and aero allow them to shine and use their tyres significantly less than the Merc who are trying to get their car to work with less power than usual hence running skinnier and sliding around more. It's likely a lot more complex than that, but that is the fundamental difference I think. For me the Red Bull is the best car on the grid... if they get a powerful engine I fully expect them to be in the mix or even favourites for the WC. It's no accident that neither Merc of Ferrari wnated to supply them with engines!Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 29th October 09:13
Clockwork Cupcake said:
I remember at the time thinking that it was a massive gamble, and if it paid off he would look prescient and if it did not then he would look like an utter berk. As it turned out, it was the former. That does not in any way alter the fact that it was an enormous risk. What is "obvious" with hindsight was not so at the time.
I recall at the time thinking there was similarity to Hill's move to Arrows. Hill said that he had been convinced by Walkinshaw's intents and plans in the same way Ross Brawn and Lauda had 'sold' Mercedes to Hamilton. Worked slightly better for one than the other!Clockwork Cupcake said:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I remember at the time thinking that it was a massive gamble, and if it paid off he would look prescient and if it did not then he would look like an utter berk. As it turned out, it was the former. That does not in any way alter the fact that it was an enormous risk. What is "obvious" with hindsight was not so at the time.
What was even more of a bonus was his 2013 season. He moved at the end of the 2012 season (if I remember correctly) in anticipation that Mercedes Benz would have a big advantage come the 2014 regulations, and almost got the impression he had written off 2013. But as it turned out, Mercedes-Benz managed to put together rather a good 2013 contender, which was surely icing on the cake.
It could have looked like a massive gamble from the outside but one assumes Hamilton had a fair bit more info about personnel, investment plans, development work, etc etc. Before he committed. So still a gamble, but maybe a smaller one.I remember at the time thinking that it was a massive gamble, and if it paid off he would look prescient and if it did not then he would look like an utter berk. As it turned out, it was the former. That does not in any way alter the fact that it was an enormous risk. What is "obvious" with hindsight was not so at the time.
What was even more of a bonus was his 2013 season. He moved at the end of the 2012 season (if I remember correctly) in anticipation that Mercedes Benz would have a big advantage come the 2014 regulations, and almost got the impression he had written off 2013. But as it turned out, Mercedes-Benz managed to put together rather a good 2013 contender, which was surely icing on the cake.
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