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sparta6 said:
HighwayStar said:
sparta6 said:
37chevy said:
sparta6 said:
I'm not expecting much of a title challenge from Ferrari this season. I wouldn't be surprised if Renault got close to them in points.
I’d love to hear your reasoning behind this opinion....what leads you to believe that Ferrari will drop that far back?Unless Vettel can nail it out of the starting gates I don't see much of a threat for the WDC.
"Binotto first joined Ferrari in 1995, originally as a test engine engineer – and then performed a similar role for the race team from 1997 to 2003.
After a spell as a race engine engineer, and chief engineer, he became head of engine and KERS in 2009 – before stepping up to chief operating officer of the power unit at the end of 2014.'
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/binotto-replace...
Arrivabene... they won't even notice he's gone.
As for Renault closing the gap to Ferrari... Honestly, I hope they do, they are claiming big gains in the engine and wind tunnel but.... Mercedes and Ferrari are a moving target, they will have been burning the midnight oil and riding the wild software too. Renault could turn up in Oz a few 10ths closer or just as far back.
Edited by HighwayStar on Thursday 10th January 15:55
With Renault, they have a master manipulator and politician in Prost, so I would not rule anything out.
As I said I hope Renault get closer and the noises coming out of the team prove to be true but snapping at Ferrari’s gearbox this season would be serious progress.
Re Binotto, yes, being boss is different but he’s been there 23yrs, knows the team and is respected. I just don’t see Ferrari suddenly falling away. LeClerc will be fine, listen to his beyond the grid podcast. I’m not saying he’ll blow everyone or Seb away but I believe he’ll get off to a solid start. We’ll see after 4 races where he and the team are.
HighwayStar said:
sparta6 said:
HighwayStar said:
sparta6 said:
37chevy said:
sparta6 said:
I'm not expecting much of a title challenge from Ferrari this season. I wouldn't be surprised if Renault got close to them in points.
I’d love to hear your reasoning behind this opinion....what leads you to believe that Ferrari will drop that far back?Unless Vettel can nail it out of the starting gates I don't see much of a threat for the WDC.
"Binotto first joined Ferrari in 1995, originally as a test engine engineer – and then performed a similar role for the race team from 1997 to 2003.
After a spell as a race engine engineer, and chief engineer, he became head of engine and KERS in 2009 – before stepping up to chief operating officer of the power unit at the end of 2014.'
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/binotto-replace...
Arrivabene... they won't even notice he's gone.
As for Renault closing the gap to Ferrari... Honestly, I hope they do, they are claiming big gains in the engine and wind tunnel but.... Mercedes and Ferrari are a moving target, they will have been burning the midnight oil and riding the wild software too. Renault could turn up in Oz a few 10ths closer or just as far back.
Edited by HighwayStar on Thursday 10th January 15:55
With Renault, they have a master manipulator and politician in Prost, so I would not rule anything out.
As I said I hope Renault get closer and the noises coming out of the team prove to be true but snapping at Ferrari’s gearbox this season would be serious progress.
Re Binotto, yes, being boss is different but he’s been there 23yrs, knows the team and is respected. I just don’t see Ferrari suddenly falling away. LeClerc will be fine, listen to his beyond the grid podcast. I’m not saying he’ll blow everyone or Seb away but I believe he’ll get off to a solid start. We’ll see after 4 races where he and the team are.
Prost was also just a driver, but let's not forget some of the sneaky politics he played with the FIA. We should never underestimate his reach. Vive la French International Assistance !
sparta6 said:
Being a technical chief is very different psychologically from being the actual Boss. No doubting Binotto's talent but some can hack the National, Media and Political pressure, others cannot, time will tell. I hope he can.
Wasn’t Brawn a technical chief before becoming boss?37chevy said:
sparta6 said:
Being a technical chief is very different psychologically from being the actual Boss. No doubting Binotto's talent but some can hack the National, Media and Political pressure, others cannot, time will tell. I hope he can.
Wasn’t Brawn a technical chief before becoming boss?No one is saying Ferrari will he 3/10ths faster than Merc with boss Binotto but the wheels aren’t going to suddenly come off either.
He would’ve been CTO until what, a week ago. He over saw last years car and will have done with this years car... it’s basically the same team without Arrivabene stinking out the place...
I don’t really see how Sparta can’t see that.
37chevy said:
sparta6 said:
Being a technical chief is very different psychologically from being the actual Boss. No doubting Binotto's talent but some can hack the National, Media and Political pressure, others cannot, time will tell. I hope he can.
Wasn’t Brawn a technical chief before becoming boss?
Gary C said:
Deesee said:
lbc said:
Bottas and Vettel will be gone next year if the don't perform.
Bottas lost a personal sponsor this week (that he’s had since 12 yrs old) that partially pays/supplements his salary.Needs a fast winning start IMO.
HighwayStar said:
Exactly... Arrivabene came from their long time main sponsor, Marlborough. Brawn came from within F1, he knew how departments worked and how a car goes from the screen to a the track.
No one is saying Ferrari will he 3/10ths faster than Merc with boss Binotto but the wheels aren’t going to suddenly come off either.
He would’ve been CTO until what, a week ago. He over saw last years car and will have done with this years car... it’s basically the same team without Arrivabene stinking out the place...
I don’t really see how Sparta can’t see that.
The biggest problem facing Binotto is the Italian press. Unless he can get (and keep) them onside life as Team Principal will be very uncomfortable.No one is saying Ferrari will he 3/10ths faster than Merc with boss Binotto but the wheels aren’t going to suddenly come off either.
He would’ve been CTO until what, a week ago. He over saw last years car and will have done with this years car... it’s basically the same team without Arrivabene stinking out the place...
I don’t really see how Sparta can’t see that.
Ross Brawn was part of the "Dream Team" alongside Schumacher and Jean Todt, with Luca di Montezemelo pulling the strings on behalf of the Agnelli dynasty, which wielded almost Mafia-esque power in those days. He's undoubtedly talented, and in recent years has become regarded as the wisest owl in the paddock, but he didn't have to manage the team on his own.
John Elkann is Gianni Agnelli's grandson, and the chosen heir to the family businesses. He may have the ability and authority to keep the press onside, but the changes within Ferrari may need a season to bed down and provide a consistent challenge to Mercedes and Hamilton.
Dermot O'Logical said:
HighwayStar said:
Exactly... Arrivabene came from their long time main sponsor, Marlborough. Brawn came from within F1, he knew how departments worked and how a car goes from the screen to a the track.
No one is saying Ferrari will he 3/10ths faster than Merc with boss Binotto but the wheels aren’t going to suddenly come off either.
He would’ve been CTO until what, a week ago. He over saw last years car and will have done with this years car... it’s basically the same team without Arrivabene stinking out the place...
I don’t really see how Sparta can’t see that.
The biggest problem facing Binotto is the Italian press. Unless he can get (and keep) them onside life as Team Principal will be very uncomfortable.No one is saying Ferrari will he 3/10ths faster than Merc with boss Binotto but the wheels aren’t going to suddenly come off either.
He would’ve been CTO until what, a week ago. He over saw last years car and will have done with this years car... it’s basically the same team without Arrivabene stinking out the place...
I don’t really see how Sparta can’t see that.
Ross Brawn was part of the "Dream Team" alongside Schumacher and Jean Todt, with Luca di Montezemelo pulling the strings on behalf of the Agnelli dynasty, which wielded almost Mafia-esque power in those days. He's undoubtedly talented, and in recent years has become regarded as the wisest owl in the paddock, but he didn't have to manage the team on his own.
John Elkann is Gianni Agnelli's grandson, and the chosen heir to the family businesses. He may have the ability and authority to keep the press onside, but the changes within Ferrari may need a season to bed down and provide a consistent challenge to Mercedes and Hamilton.
Dermot O'Logical said:
The biggest problem facing Binotto is the Italian press. Unless he can get (and keep) them onside life as Team Principal will be very uncomfortable.
Ross Brawn was part of the "Dream Team" alongside Schumacher and Jean Todt, with Luca di Montezemelo pulling the strings on behalf of the Agnelli dynasty, which wielded almost Mafia-esque power in those days. He's undoubtedly talented, and in recent years has become regarded as the wisest owl in the paddock, but he didn't have to manage the team on his own.
John Elkann is Gianni Agnelli's grandson, and the chosen heir to the family businesses. He may have the ability and authority to keep the press onside, but the changes within Ferrari may need a season to bed down and provide a consistent challenge to Mercedes and Hamilton.
cant disagree with any of this tbfRoss Brawn was part of the "Dream Team" alongside Schumacher and Jean Todt, with Luca di Montezemelo pulling the strings on behalf of the Agnelli dynasty, which wielded almost Mafia-esque power in those days. He's undoubtedly talented, and in recent years has become regarded as the wisest owl in the paddock, but he didn't have to manage the team on his own.
John Elkann is Gianni Agnelli's grandson, and the chosen heir to the family businesses. He may have the ability and authority to keep the press onside, but the changes within Ferrari may need a season to bed down and provide a consistent challenge to Mercedes and Hamilton.
HighwayStar said:
Dermot O'Logical said:
HighwayStar said:
Exactly... Arrivabene came from their long time main sponsor, Marlborough. Brawn came from within F1, he knew how departments worked and how a car goes from the screen to a the track.
No one is saying Ferrari will he 3/10ths faster than Merc with boss Binotto but the wheels aren’t going to suddenly come off either.
He would’ve been CTO until what, a week ago. He over saw last years car and will have done with this years car... it’s basically the same team without Arrivabene stinking out the place...
I don’t really see how Sparta can’t see that.
The biggest problem facing Binotto is the Italian press. Unless he can get (and keep) them onside life as Team Principal will be very uncomfortable.No one is saying Ferrari will he 3/10ths faster than Merc with boss Binotto but the wheels aren’t going to suddenly come off either.
He would’ve been CTO until what, a week ago. He over saw last years car and will have done with this years car... it’s basically the same team without Arrivabene stinking out the place...
I don’t really see how Sparta can’t see that.
Ross Brawn was part of the "Dream Team" alongside Schumacher and Jean Todt, with Luca di Montezemelo pulling the strings on behalf of the Agnelli dynasty, which wielded almost Mafia-esque power in those days. He's undoubtedly talented, and in recent years has become regarded as the wisest owl in the paddock, but he didn't have to manage the team on his own.
John Elkann is Gianni Agnelli's grandson, and the chosen heir to the family businesses. He may have the ability and authority to keep the press onside, but the changes within Ferrari may need a season to bed down and provide a consistent challenge to Mercedes and Hamilton.
lbc said:
Deesee said:
lbc said:
Bottas and Vettel will be gone next year if they don't perform.
Bottas lost a personal sponsor this week (that he’s had since 12 yrs old) that partially pays/supplements his salary.Needs a fast winning start IMO.
Dermot O'Logical said:
HighwayStar said:
Dermot O'Logical said:
HighwayStar said:
Exactly... Arrivabene came from their long time main sponsor, Marlborough. Brawn came from within F1, he knew how departments worked and how a car goes from the screen to a the track.
No one is saying Ferrari will he 3/10ths faster than Merc with boss Binotto but the wheels aren’t going to suddenly come off either.
He would’ve been CTO until what, a week ago. He over saw last years car and will have done with this years car... it’s basically the same team without Arrivabene stinking out the place...
I don’t really see how Sparta can’t see that.
The biggest problem facing Binotto is the Italian press. Unless he can get (and keep) them onside life as Team Principal will be very uncomfortable.No one is saying Ferrari will he 3/10ths faster than Merc with boss Binotto but the wheels aren’t going to suddenly come off either.
He would’ve been CTO until what, a week ago. He over saw last years car and will have done with this years car... it’s basically the same team without Arrivabene stinking out the place...
I don’t really see how Sparta can’t see that.
Ross Brawn was part of the "Dream Team" alongside Schumacher and Jean Todt, with Luca di Montezemelo pulling the strings on behalf of the Agnelli dynasty, which wielded almost Mafia-esque power in those days. He's undoubtedly talented, and in recent years has become regarded as the wisest owl in the paddock, but he didn't have to manage the team on his own.
John Elkann is Gianni Agnelli's grandson, and the chosen heir to the family businesses. He may have the ability and authority to keep the press onside, but the changes within Ferrari may need a season to bed down and provide a consistent challenge to Mercedes and Hamilton.
Ferrari had uncle Bernie’s ear and kissed the ring when he was the Godfather. Now Liberty Media are at the head of the table they’re talking about fairer distribution of money amongst the teams and making the sport cheaper. Ferrari got a lot of respect, £60m more than any other team under Bernie’s reign. It’ll be interesting to see how that plays out with the new owners. If Merc and Lewis have taken all the trophies Merc will have a huge say.
I just hope there are more teams fighting for the podium this season.
tight fart said:
Not sure why people are convinced that Liberty will be any more open honest and fair than Bernie was.
From what I here its unlikely.
Who is convinced. Liberty have said how they would like to do things, we’ll see how it plays out. I love F1 but I’m not a fan of Ferrari’s if we don’t get what we want we’re off. Now they are supplying 2 teams as well they are more entrenched so no doubt they’ll be pushing to bend things to their will.From what I here its unlikely.
tight fart said:
Not sure why people are convinced that Liberty will be any more open honest and fair than Bernie was.
From what I here its unlikely.
Not sure what makes you think that.From what I here its unlikely.
F1 is their train set and they take a huge profit but the very strong impression that they create is that slowly, but surely, they will change the series to their liking. The key issue is taking the teams along with their aspirations, but in the fullness of time, I believe that they will get there.
Bernie shot from the hip - Liberty play the long-game to achieve the results they (and most of us fans) want.
Remember the title of Ross Brawn’s book - Total Competition: Lessons in Strategy from Formula One
Man-At-Arms said:
lbc said:
Deesee said:
lbc said:
Bottas and Vettel will be gone next year if they don't perform.
Bottas lost a personal sponsor this week (that he’s had since 12 yrs old) that partially pays/supplements his salary.Needs a fast winning start IMO.
Man-At-Arms said:
lbc said:
Deesee said:
lbc said:
Bottas and Vettel will be gone next year if they don't perform.
Bottas lost a personal sponsor this week (that he’s had since 12 yrs old) that partially pays/supplements his salary.Needs a fast winning start IMO.
sparta6 said:
Man-At-Arms said:
lbc said:
Deesee said:
lbc said:
Bottas and Vettel will be gone next year if they don't perform.
Bottas lost a personal sponsor this week (that he’s had since 12 yrs old) that partially pays/supplements his salary.Needs a fast winning start IMO.
Sixpackpert said:
Man-At-Arms said:
lbc said:
Deesee said:
lbc said:
Bottas and Vettel will be gone next year if they don't perform.
Bottas lost a personal sponsor this week (that he’s had since 12 yrs old) that partially pays/supplements his salary.Needs a fast winning start IMO.
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