Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[paulguitar]

heebeegeetee said:

General Price said:

I don't think anyone has ever mentioned Jackie Stewart in the same breath as Senna or Prost,never mind Hamilton.

Although I raised this issue, and am disappointed by this and some other comments, I absolutely would and always do include him at the very top. It's hard to think of a driver with more natural talent. He won 3 world championships for Ken Tyrrell, ie no Ferrari, no Lotus, Brabham, McLaren etc, and not much was won for Ken Tyrrell before or since.

Yes, I think Stewart was generally recognised as the best of his era.

[lauda]

paulguitar said:

heebeegeetee said:

General Price said:

I don't think anyone has ever mentioned Jackie Stewart in the same breath as Senna or Prost,never mind Hamilton.

Although I raised this issue, and am disappointed by this and some other comments, I absolutely would and always do include him at the very top. It's hard to think of a driver with more natural talent. He won 3 world championships for Ken Tyrrell, ie no Ferrari, no Lotus, Brabham, McLaren etc, and not much was won for Ken Tyrrell before or since.

Yes, I think Stewart was generally recognised as the best of his era.

Stewart was an exceptional driver and displayed many great qualities in his pursuit of safety in F1.

Unfortunately he has displayed as many rather poorer qualities in some of his behaviour since.

[General Price]

lauda said:

Stewart was an exceptional driver and displayed many great qualities in his pursuit of safety in F1.

Unfortunately he has displayed as many rather poorer qualities in some of his behaviour since.

I think we all know his problem with hamilton.

[lauda]

General Price said:

lauda said:

Stewart was an exceptional driver and displayed many great qualities in his pursuit of safety in F1.

Unfortunately he has displayed as many rather poorer qualities in some of his behaviour since.

I think we all know his problem with hamilton.

Indeed.

ETA - perhaps we’re doing Stewart a disservice in that assumption. Maybe he would feel the same about any British driver who comprehensively trumped his championship tally and also got a knighthood. We'll never know and perhaps should give him the benefit of the doubt on that score.

However he’s clearly quite bitter towards Hamilton for one reason or another. Or maybe more than one reason…

Edited by lauda on Friday 24th June 18:09

[Stan the Bat]

sandman77 said:

He also says -

"I’m sure he’ll be very successful because he’s been earning a huge amount of money — rightfully so because he’s been the best of his time. Lewis is in that group of the Ayrton Sennas and the Alain Prosts — or even the Jackie Stewarts maybe."

So it’s not all bad mouthing from JYS. It’s simply selective quoting for click bait.

Not sure why he even needs to keep talking about hamilton, never seems to have much good to say.

[Stan the Bat]

General Price said:

sandman77 said:

He also says -

"I’m sure he’ll be very successful because he’s been earning a huge amount of money — rightfully so because he’s been the best of his time. Lewis is in that group of the Ayrton Sennas and the Alain Prosts — or even the Jackie Stewarts maybe."

So it’s not all bad mouthing from JYS. It’s simply selective quoting for click bait.

I don't think anyone has ever mentioned Jackie Stewart in the same breath as Senna or Prost,never mind Hamilton.

I think they have.

[DOCG]

Welshbeef said:

Does he pay any UK tax or still for many many many decades based in Monaco / offshore thus avoiding UK taxes?

Who cares? Why are people so obsessed with high net-worth individuals domiciling in lower-tax countries?

[DOCG]

lauda said:

Indeed.

ETA - perhaps we’re doing Stewart a disservice in that assumption. Maybe he would feel the same about any British driver who comprehensively trumped his championship tally and also got a knighthood. We'll never know and perhaps should give him the benefit of the doubt on that score.

However he’s clearly quite bitter towards Hamilton for one reason or another. Or maybe more than one reason…

Edited by lauda on Friday 24th June 18:09

Before Hamilton I think he was widely regarded as the best ever British driver, most people don't like being surpassed like that.

[angrymoby]

General Price said:

I think we all know his problem with hamilton.

same problem he had with Ribbs?

[General Price]

angrymoby said:

General Price said:

I think we all know his problem with hamilton.

same problem he had with Ribbs?

They do have something in common.

[Derek Smith]

paulguitar said:

heebeegeetee said:

General Price said:

I don't think anyone has ever mentioned Jackie Stewart in the same breath as Senna or Prost,never mind Hamilton.

Although I raised this issue, and am disappointed by this and some other comments, I absolutely would and always do include him at the very top. It's hard to think of a driver with more natural talent. He won 3 world championships for Ken Tyrrell, ie no Ferrari, no Lotus, Brabham, McLaren etc, and not much was won for Ken Tyrrell before or since.

Yes, I think Stewart was generally recognised as the best of his era.

He was similar in many ways to both Prost and Senna. All three won around 25% of their races. All three were thinkers first. All three upset the powers that be in F1.

I've seen all three race. I've followed the sport since 1966, for years as a nerd, only changing when Senna died to an extent. I think the term GOAT is nonsensical, but there's not a cigarette paper between them as drivers.

[markiii]

General Price said:

lauda said:

Stewart was an exceptional driver and displayed many great qualities in his pursuit of safety in F1.

Unfortunately he has displayed as many rather poorer qualities in some of his behaviour since.

I think we all know his problem with hamilton.

yawn, that old tripe again. Anyone not kissing Lewis's arse must be a racist

[nickfrog]

markiii said:

Anyone not kissing Lewis's arse must be a racist

Who said that?

[vdn]

nickfrog said:

markiii said:

Anyone not kissing Lewis's arse must be a racist

Who said that?

Nobody. He's just another triggered snowflake ranting methinks.

[MustangGT]

DOCG said:

Welshbeef said:

Does he pay any UK tax or still for many many many decades based in Monaco / offshore thus avoiding UK taxes?

Who cares? Why are people so obsessed with high net-worth individuals domiciling in lower-tax countries?

Unless you are in the top 3% of UK taxpayers then Lewis pays more UK tax than either you or me. As well as paying tax in at least a dozen other countries.

[CABC]

MustangGT said:

DOCG said:

Welshbeef said:

Does he pay any UK tax or still for many many many decades based in Monaco / offshore thus avoiding UK taxes?

Who cares? Why are people so obsessed with high net-worth individuals domiciling in lower-tax countries?

Unless you are in the top 3% of UK taxpayers then Lewis pays more UK tax than either you or me. As well as paying tax in at least a dozen other countries.

original post was referring to JYS not paying UK taxes.

[MarkwG]

CABC said:

MustangGT said:

DOCG said:

Welshbeef said:

Does he pay any UK tax or still for many many many decades based in Monaco / offshore thus avoiding UK taxes?

Who cares? Why are people so obsessed with high net-worth individuals domiciling in lower-tax countries?

Unless you are in the top 3% of UK taxpayers then Lewis pays more UK tax than either you or me. As well as paying tax in at least a dozen other countries.

original post was referring to JYS not paying UK taxes.

Indeed but then as JYS has lived in the UK since 1996, the point is moot anyway.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

lauda said:

General Price said:

lauda said:

Stewart was an exceptional driver and displayed many great qualities in his pursuit of safety in F1.

Unfortunately he has displayed as many rather poorer qualities in some of his behaviour since.

I think we all know his problem with hamilton.

Indeed.

ETA - perhaps we’re doing Stewart a disservice in that assumption. Maybe he would feel the same about any British driver who comprehensively trumped his championship tally and also got a knighthood. We'll never know and perhaps should give him the benefit of the doubt on that score.

However he’s clearly quite bitter towards Hamilton for one reason or another. Or maybe more than one reason…

Quite. He never passes up an opportunity to say something negative about Hamilton, and when he does say something seemingly positive it is clearly either through gritted teeth or else damning with faint praise.

[Wills2]

Jackie has always dished out his opinion here is Senna on the receiving end, he handled it very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBRcXZ_Dfo

[Pflanzgarten]

MarkwG said:

Indeed but then as JYS has lived in the UK since 1996, the point is moot anyway.

He lives in Switzerland.