Official 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[37chevy]

ChocolateFrog said:

And as much as Vettel is his own worst enemy I thought he was a bit unlucky today. Can't remember the last time such minimal contact caused so much damage.

Think leclerc was more unlucky tbh...but a great move on Vettel only to be taken out by his teammate after a tiny bit of contact that usually ends with a rear puncture and broken endplate

[EagleMoto4-2]

How on earth does Vettel not end up getting a penalty. Can only assume they dont want to end up having to remove him from the final race.

[ChocolateFrog]

silentbrown said:

ChocolateFrog said:

I also think it's wrong to leave the Hamilton/Albon decision until after the podium. No reason it should take more than 5 or 10 minutes to come to a conclusion. If you were Sainz you'd be pretty upset.

If you were Sainz you'd probably be a lot more upset if the stewards made a rushed decision and (almost inevitably) called it a "racing incident" without speaking to drivers and other witnesses, analyzing telemetry, in car footage, etc...

Looking at his twitter doesn't seem that upset just "a bit weird not being there after the race"

I still don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility to get the decision done and dusted before the podium and Sainz' attitude is laudable but the photos, memories, exposure of being on an F1 podium is quite something to be denied.

[HustleRussell]

Zoobeef said:

HustleRussell said:

Zoobeef said:

HustleRussell said:

Albon was on the normal line which means that ‘massive gap’ was inevitably a closing gap. And in racing, if you chuck it into a closing gap and you aren’t fully alongside by the apex you have caused a crash.

Cheers for your wisdom. Why did Albon also admit he was in the wrong if he was in the right?

Because in retrospect, Hamilton was within striking range on corner entry and Albon neither took a decisive defensive line nor left a car’s width. He invited Hamilton in and then cut him off. However it’s not a natural passing place and Hamilton was not far enough alongside to have earned that space. The result was an incident where both drivers contributed but if either were primarily to blame it was Hamilton.

So because they are both in the wrong and, being F1, penalties HAVE to be applied so it was given to Hamilton. Cheers for clearing it up.

One of the problems with starting a sentence with the word ‘So’, is that it has a tendency to make it look like you are trying to append your own views on those of others.

[ChocolateFrog]

37chevy said:

ChocolateFrog said:

And as much as Vettel is his own worst enemy I thought he was a bit unlucky today. Can't remember the last time such minimal contact caused so much damage.

Think leclerc was more unlucky tbh...but a great move on Vettel only to be taken out by his teammate after a tiny bit of contact that usually ends with a rear puncture and broken endplate

I agree, I meant from the sense that Vettel is taking the blame for it.

[g4ry13]

ChocolateFrog said:

And as much as Vettel is his own worst enemy I thought he was a bit unlucky today. Can't remember the last time such minimal contact caused so much damage.

In fairness, they were going pretty fast when they touched. It doesn't take much contact to puncture a tyre.

[anonymous-user]

Look at how damaged Vettels rear rim is, big distortion in it, that was more of a hit than it looks on the TV pictures.

[Zoobeef]

HustleRussell said:

Zoobeef said:

HustleRussell said:

Zoobeef said:

HustleRussell said:

Albon was on the normal line which means that ‘massive gap’ was inevitably a closing gap. And in racing, if you chuck it into a closing gap and you aren’t fully alongside by the apex you have caused a crash.

Cheers for your wisdom. Why did Albon also admit he was in the wrong if he was in the right?

Because in retrospect, Hamilton was within striking range on corner entry and Albon neither took a decisive defensive line nor left a car’s width. He invited Hamilton in and then cut him off. However it’s not a natural passing place and Hamilton was not far enough alongside to have earned that space. The result was an incident where both drivers contributed but if either were primarily to blame it was Hamilton.

So because they are both in the wrong and, being F1, penalties HAVE to be applied so it was given to Hamilton. Cheers for clearing it up.

One of the problems with starting a sentence with the word ‘So’, is that it has a tendency to make it look like you are trying to append your own views on those of others.

So, I'm right.

[Zoobeef]

silentbrown said:

Looking at his twitter doesn't seem that upset just "a bit weird not being there after the race"

Norris's Instagram says different
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4-41keFW2V/?igshid=1e...

[HustleRussell]

Zoobeef said:

HustleRussell said:

Zoobeef said:

HustleRussell said:

Zoobeef said:

HustleRussell said:

Albon was on the normal line which means that ‘massive gap’ was inevitably a closing gap. And in racing, if you chuck it into a closing gap and you aren’t fully alongside by the apex you have caused a crash.

Cheers for your wisdom. Why did Albon also admit he was in the wrong if he was in the right?

Because in retrospect, Hamilton was within striking range on corner entry and Albon neither took a decisive defensive line nor left a car’s width. He invited Hamilton in and then cut him off. However it’s not a natural passing place and Hamilton was not far enough alongside to have earned that space. The result was an incident where both drivers contributed but if either were primarily to blame it was Hamilton.

So because they are both in the wrong and, being F1, penalties HAVE to be applied so it was given to Hamilton. Cheers for clearing it up.

One of the problems with starting a sentence with the word ‘So’, is that it has a tendency to make it look like you are trying to append your own views on those of others.

So, I'm right.

I don’t really know how you reach that conclusion, but if it’s that important to you, all you have to do is believe.

I did call it correctly before the Hamilton apology and the stewards penalty though.

(See, I can condescend with withering sarcasm too)

Edited by HustleRussell on Sunday 17th November 22:59

[Zoobeef]

HustleRussell said:

I don’t really know how you reach that conclusion, but if it’s that important to you, all you have to do is believe.

I did call it correctly before the Hamilton apology and the stewards penalty though.

Thanks for believing in me.

[rdjohn]

As I mentioned at the start of this thread, we are going to miss Interlagos, when it’s gone.

What a great show from Honda, I do hope that they stay in F1. Pleased for Max, Pierre and Carlos. Sad about Alex and pleased that Lewis owned up to it like a man.

But what the heck were Seb, Charles and Mercedes on for breakfast this morning.

[95 fiesta si]

C70R said:

It was merely a response to being told to "f off" (or similar), when 95 had his panties in a bunch earlier.

No need to white knight on his behalf.

and that was a response to your first negative post to me

C70R said:

I find that hard to believe.

I've read a few of your posts, and there's no way that you think.

[HustleRussell]

rdjohn said:

As I mentioned at the start of this thread, we are going to miss Interlagos, when it’s gone.

I’m not sure it is going to go

[SteBrown91]

Great race - yes the Bottas safety car was tin foil hat worthy, but it made the race a good one.

Vettel sailing close to the wind and if not careful will manage himself out of Ferrari. The Tifosi are already behind Leclerc so stunts like this are going to hurt him badly.

On a side note, did anyone notice Ted’s Prince Andrew jab during the notebook?

Stating that if Sainz got 3rd then he can celebrate by going for pizza in Woking

[HustleRussell]

SteBrown91 said:

On a side note, did anyone notice Ted’s Prince Andrew jab during the notebook?

Stating that if Sainz got 3rd then he can celebrate by going for pizza in Woking

I did. Also I assume he has some beef with the lady television presenter (Spanish?) because he seemed pretty intent on speaking very loudly in her direction and visibly distracting her when she was in the middle of delivering a piece to camera.

[TheDeuce]

When Lewis struck Albon, I initially felt it was his fault. Then a new angle, it was Albon's fault!

Then another replay.. and so on.

Once Lewis owned up it was case closed of course. I can't help but think however it really should have been a racing incident. Both drivers were happy enough to explain their actions as racers racing... What exactly is the definition of a racing incident if it isn't that?

In career or season terms it really won't effect either of them so no big deal, it will soon get forgotten. Niggles me a bit though..

[HustleRussell]

TheDeuce said:

When Lewis struck Albon, I initially felt it was his fault. Then a new angle, it was Albon's fault!

Then another replay.. and so on.

Once Lewis owned up it was case closed of course. I can't help but think however it really should have been a racing incident. Both drivers were happy enough to explain their actions as racers racing... What exactly is the definition of a racing incident if it isn't that?

In career or season terms it really won't effect either of them so no big deal, it will soon get forgotten. Niggles me a bit though..

Some of the stewards decisions are clearly influenced by the eventual outcome. I don’t necessarily believe that it’s correct but that seems to be the way it is this season. Albon ended up pretty much last from 3rd and Hamilton inherited Albon’s place.

[Zoobeef]

TheDeuce said:

When Lewis struck Albon, I initially felt it was his fault. Then a new angle, it was Albon's fault!

Then another replay.. and so on.

Once Lewis owned up it was case closed of course. I can't help but think however it really should have been a racing incident. Both drivers were happy enough to explain their actions as racers racing... What exactly is the definition of a racing incident if it isn't that?

In career or season terms it really won't effect either of them so no big deal, it will soon get forgotten. Niggles me a bit though..

You are wrong, lewis went for a gap about 3 cars wide that had been left open. Therefore it is his fault as he shouldn't be going for gaps on corners that aren't designated overtaking zones.

[TheDeuce]

Zoobeef said:

TheDeuce said:

When Lewis struck Albon, I initially felt it was his fault. Then a new angle, it was Albon's fault!

Then another replay.. and so on.

Once Lewis owned up it was case closed of course. I can't help but think however it really should have been a racing incident. Both drivers were happy enough to explain their actions as racers racing... What exactly is the definition of a racing incident if it isn't that?

In career or season terms it really won't effect either of them so no big deal, it will soon get forgotten. Niggles me a bit though..

You are wrong, lewis went for a gap about 3 cars wide that had been left open. Therefore it is his fault as he shouldn't be going for gaps on corners that aren't designated overtaking zones.

How can I be wrong? I effectively said I was undecided. You're wrong, read again