Official 2021 Portugal Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**

Official 2021 Portugal Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**

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Byker28i

61,790 posts

219 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Ferrari strategy failed today, I thought they'd be higher up given the pace they had.

Good racing through out the field. Mazespin gets driver of the day because he finished? biggrin

TheDeuce

22,607 posts

68 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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WickerBill said:
TheDeuce said:
And karun just pointing out that bottas backing up Max killed his tyres.. which is just fact, we all saw it happen.
What do you think happened to Hamilton’s tyres, following so closely for that amount of time?
But he didn't follow for long, he could and did pass.

Teddy Lop

8,301 posts

69 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Can we clear something up for my tiny mind, There was a radio message to Hamilton regarding pitting for softs for FL. How would that work? Max behind him pitted at the last opportunity with 2 Laps remaining, out lap and fast, final lap, if Lewis had pitted ahead of him he'd have stayed out and taken the win instead.

What am I missing?

WickerBill

905 posts

50 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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TheDeuce said:
WickerBill said:
TheDeuce said:
And karun just pointing out that bottas backing up Max killed his tyres.. which is just fact, we all saw it happen.
What do you think happened to Hamilton’s tyres, following so closely for that amount of time?
But he didn't follow for long, he could and did pass.
He was behind Bottas and max for 21 laps....less than a second away...I wouldn’t call 1/3 of the race not that long....

SmoothCriminal

5,103 posts

201 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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I know driver of the day is always a joke.

Byker28i

61,790 posts

219 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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“Oh really? That’s a good one,” Verstappen said. “That is a bit odd, because they were not checking track limits at Turn 14, but whatever.”

Verstappen’s claim was incorrect. The updated race notes issued by Michael Masi on Saturday morning ahead of final practice at Portimao added Turn 14 to the corners being monitored for track limits.

“The track limits at the exit of Turn 14 are defined as when no part of the car remains in contact with the red and white kerb,” the updated race notes read.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/odd-track-limits...



TheDeuce

22,607 posts

68 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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WickerBill said:
TheDeuce said:
WickerBill said:
TheDeuce said:
Or.. Merc would have to be insane to finish the race further ahead than required. There was so much tactical thinking that went in to how the gap was managed.
Your theory falls down when looking at the start and middle of the race...theres no way Mercedes would have let max keep THAT close with the risk of an undercut or safety car
If they stretched out a lead they would have had to pit first, and they could have stretched out enough lead to pit safely. By keeping him within dirty air they killed his tyres - albeit whilst gambling he wouldn't be able to actually pass bottas.
Again though, it doesn’t stack up....why risk the chance that Bottas could, and did get beat by Max. They just handed Max several points if that was the plan....
Because there was no risk free strategy. What I believe is that overall it would have been a greater risk to have both mercs stretch out a more commanding lead as that would have increased their tyre wear.

Safety car etc was possible but unknown. What was a certainty was that Max's tyres would give in sooner than either Merc drivers with him stuck in dirty air.

What I find quite interesting is that that was even a possible strategy for the mercs, I don't understand why max wasn't able to attempt to pass bottas, I would have thought he'd have that level of pace with drs, but apparently not.

Byker28i

61,790 posts

219 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Norris third in the drivers championship....

Adrian W

14,077 posts

230 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Love to know how many passes today were DRS assists and how many weren’t

SpudLink

6,091 posts

194 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Teddy Lop said:
Can we clear something up for my tiny mind, There was a radio message to Hamilton regarding pitting for softs for FL. How would that work? Max behind him pitted at the last opportunity with 2 Laps remaining, out lap and fast, final lap, if Lewis had pitted ahead of him he'd have stayed out and taken the win instead.

What am I missing?
It couldn’t have worked. Can’t imagine why his engineer said ‘worth a try’, or words to that effect.

Sandpit Steve

10,519 posts

76 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Teddy Lop said:
Can we clear something up for my tiny mind, There was a radio message to Hamilton regarding pitting for softs for FL. How would that work? Max behind him pitted at the last opportunity with 2 Laps remaining, out lap and fast, final lap, if Lewis had pitted ahead of him he'd have stayed out and taken the win instead.

What am I missing?
You’re not missing anything. Max stopped on the last possible lap in reaction to Bottas, Lewis couldn’t have followed behind Max and also gone for fastest lap. Lewis must have thought they had one more lap to go than was actually the case, or was confused about the running order and gaps between the cars. If Lewis had pitted at the end of lap 64 (of 66), Max would have stayed out behind him and taken the win.

WickerBill

905 posts

50 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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TheDeuce said:
WickerBill said:
TheDeuce said:
WickerBill said:
TheDeuce said:
Or.. Merc would have to be insane to finish the race further ahead than required. There was so much tactical thinking that went in to how the gap was managed.
Your theory falls down when looking at the start and middle of the race...theres no way Mercedes would have let max keep THAT close with the risk of an undercut or safety car
If they stretched out a lead they would have had to pit first, and they could have stretched out enough lead to pit safely. By keeping him within dirty air they killed his tyres - albeit whilst gambling he wouldn't be able to actually pass bottas.
Again though, it doesn’t stack up....why risk the chance that Bottas could, and did get beat by Max. They just handed Max several points if that was the plan....
Because there was no risk free strategy. What I believe is that overall it would have been a greater risk to have both mercs stretch out a more commanding lead as that would have increased their tyre wear.

Safety car etc was possible but unknown. What was a certainty was that Max's tyres would give in sooner than either Merc drivers with him stuck in dirty air.

What I find quite interesting is that that was even a possible strategy for the mercs, I don't understand why max wasn't able to attempt to pass bottas, I would have thought he'd have that level of pace with drs, but apparently not.
I agree there’s never a risk free strategy, but keeping your competitor within DRS zone, with a 2 second undercut on a circuit where mistakes happen easily due to the weather conditions seems to be pretty high risk.

Again your theory doesn’t stack up, but I doubt il change your mind so let’s leave it at that....I have better things to be doing on a Sunday afternoon

farm

151 posts

54 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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I thought it was Lewis thinking of pushing with the hards he was on

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

198 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Teddy Lop said:
Can we clear something up for my tiny mind, There was a radio message to Hamilton regarding pitting for softs for FL. How would that work? Max behind him pitted at the last opportunity with 2 Laps remaining, out lap and fast, final lap, if Lewis had pitted ahead of him he'd have stayed out and taken the win instead.

What am I missing?
I don't think it would, as you say Max pitted on lap 65/66. They knew he was doing it by following the radio but if they'd have try to preempt it Max would have just stayed out and snatched the win.

anonymous-user

56 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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farm said:
I thought it was Lewis thinking of pushing with the hards he was on
Indeed, he had pace in hand but called it correctly that it wasn't worth the risk to try.

JonChalk

6,469 posts

112 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Byker28i said:
Norris third in the drivers championship....
I know - he drove brilliantly today, if completely unnoticed after his first lap excellence.

44 laps on the Mediums, slowly, but consistently pulling away from LeClerc on the Hards - on exactly the same strategy, Sainz lost 6 places, Norris gained two.

anonymous-user

56 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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Di Resta still incapable of putting a coherent sentence together.

SpudLink

6,091 posts

194 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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jsf said:
farm said:
I thought it was Lewis thinking of pushing with the hards he was on
Indeed, he had pace in hand but called it correctly that it wasn't worth the risk to try.
Ah, so the call was to go for FL on his current tyres? I misunderstood the radio message.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

263 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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jsf said:
Di Resta still incapable of putting a coherent sentence together.
Was thinking exactly the same.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

198 months

Sunday 2nd May 2021
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SpudLink said:
jsf said:
farm said:
I thought it was Lewis thinking of pushing with the hards he was on
Indeed, he had pace in hand but called it correctly that it wasn't worth the risk to try.
Ah, so the call was to go for FL on his current tyres? I misunderstood the radio message.
Me too!