The Official 2015 Monaco Grand Prix thread **SPOILERS**
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thegreenhell said:
Scuffers said:
My thinking on this is more to do with the fact that verstappen didn't look like he was trying to make a pass and just got caught out...
So just maybe the 17yo rookie made a simple mistake...RichB said:
thegreenhell said:
Scuffers said:
My thinking on this is more to do with the fact that verstappen didn't look like he was trying to make a pass and just got caught out...
So just maybe the 17yo rookie made a simple mistake...he was certainly not going for a gap, he got caught out.
now, yes, you can argue that he should have expected it and avoided him, but they are supposed to be racing you know....
Lead car was defensive - you cant argue that.
Second car moved but did not recognise and was perhaps half a second late on the brakes by which time the closing speed was probably +50mph.
After that point brakes don't help.
Similar in Canada last year...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iPoZxUXN9E
Second car moved but did not recognise and was perhaps half a second late on the brakes by which time the closing speed was probably +50mph.
After that point brakes don't help.
Similar in Canada last year...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iPoZxUXN9E
VladD said:
I suppose that's one of the downsides of F1 brakes being that effective. If someone in front hits the brakes and they're either earlier than you expect or you've got a little distracted, you've hit the car in front almost before you can react.
Bring back steel brake discs with drums on the back red_slr said:
Lead car was defensive - you cant argue that.
Second car moved but did not recognise and was perhaps half a second late on the brakes by which time the closing speed was probably +50mph.
After that point brakes don't help.
Similar in Canada last year...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iPoZxUXN9E
nope, that was the lead cars fault for changing line (he got a penalty for it too)Second car moved but did not recognise and was perhaps half a second late on the brakes by which time the closing speed was probably +50mph.
After that point brakes don't help.
Similar in Canada last year...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iPoZxUXN9E
this is more like it, webber caught out by early braking Caterham:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5_vubepSzs
Edited by Scuffers on Thursday 28th May 08:48
Inertiatic said:
It was just a racing incident. Don't see why the need for a fuss. Verstappen just got a bit too gung ho
I agree, it's under the category st happens...here's a question for you though.
If Grosjean did not brake early, how did he manage to still make the corner after being hit up the rear?
Vaud said:
Scuffers said:
If Grosjean did not brake early, how did he manage to still make the corner after being hit up the rear?
He didn't. He span and used the full exit slip road to turnaround and rejoin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGSkxQe-4rw
Scuffers said:
did you actually watch the incident?...
Why the aggression? Because it's Pistonheads it must be an argument? It seems every post in this section of the forum has to get a tetchy reply. I was kind of agreeing with you but you were obviously in "guns out mode" I'll leave this thread and wait for the next GP. ajprice said:
Vaud said:
Scuffers said:
If Grosjean did not brake early, how did he manage to still make the corner after being hit up the rear?
He didn't. He span and used the full exit slip road to turnaround and rejoin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGSkxQe-4rw
Scuffers said:
ajprice said:
I was going to ask where Benson got that info, but after a quick google, Lotus data was accepted by the FIA http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/12960325/lotus...
is it just me or does that sound like bullst?Alan Permane on Twitter said:
@AlanPermane
.@RGrosjean didn’t brake test @Max33Verstappen, he braked 5m later than previous lap. Data accepted by FIA so the penalty was for Max not RG
.@RGrosjean didn’t brake test @Max33Verstappen, he braked 5m later than previous lap. Data accepted by FIA so the penalty was for Max not RG
as a race driver, to be 5M different in your braking point would imply something had changed, this is a later lap so one assumes the tyres were worse not better, so why would he leave it another 5M?
it's either that or Grosjean is not particularly accurate/consistent (seems unlikely for an F1 driver with his experience), or more likely, the data logging is not that positionally accurate (intentionally?)
/tin foil hat firmly on!
So, as you can see, the tyres were likely better, not worse, than the previous lap. Degradation simply isn't an issue around Monaco and never really has been.
From memory the F1 GPS works at about 50hz, so is perfectly acceptable and comfortably accurate to well under half a metre on a lap by lap basis. GPS has been fine for lap by lap comparisons since we started using it in the mid 2000s, as the drift only comes into play over days or weeks. F1 data is a reasonable step beyond the sort of thing you may have used in club racing.
Ahonen said:
Scuffers said:
ajprice said:
I was going to ask where Benson got that info, but after a quick google, Lotus data was accepted by the FIA http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/12960325/lotus...
is it just me or does that sound like bullst?Alan Permane on Twitter said:
@AlanPermane
.@RGrosjean didn’t brake test @Max33Verstappen, he braked 5m later than previous lap. Data accepted by FIA so the penalty was for Max not RG
.@RGrosjean didn’t brake test @Max33Verstappen, he braked 5m later than previous lap. Data accepted by FIA so the penalty was for Max not RG
as a race driver, to be 5M different in your braking point would imply something had changed, this is a later lap so one assumes the tyres were worse not better, so why would he leave it another 5M?
it's either that or Grosjean is not particularly accurate/consistent (seems unlikely for an F1 driver with his experience), or more likely, the data logging is not that positionally accurate (intentionally?)
/tin foil hat firmly on!
So, as you can see, the tyres were likely better, not worse, than the previous lap. Degradation simply isn't an issue around Monaco and never really has been.
From memory the F1 GPS works at about 50hz, so is perfectly acceptable and comfortably accurate to well under half a metre on a lap by lap basis. GPS has been fine for lap by lap comparisons since we started using it in the mid 2000s, as the drift only comes into play over days or weeks. F1 data is a reasonable step beyond the sort of thing you may have used in club racing.
shirt said:
yet earlier in the thread we're discussing how inaccurate the positional data is around monaco, resulting in the mclaren confusion. or am i missing something?
The data is not inaccurate as such but the frequency / reliability of updates is not as good as elsewhere due to the performance of the telemetry systems.BigBen said:
The data is not inaccurate as such but the frequency / reliability of updates is not as good as elsewhere due to the performance of the telemetry systems.
There are a few places on the track where the data could be inaccurate - the tunnel and the marina section where the lower track and the upper track are side by side - GPS locators can easily get momentary blips in data there. Then there's the issue of getting the data back to the pits as you say.ewenm said:
BigBen said:
The data is not inaccurate as such but the frequency / reliability of updates is not as good as elsewhere due to the performance of the telemetry systems.
There are a few places on the track where the data could be inaccurate - the tunnel and the marina section where the lower track and the upper track are side by side - GPS locators can easily get momentary blips in data there. Then there's the issue of getting the data back to the pits as you say.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff