Official 2020 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix **SPOILERS**
Discussion
faa77 said:
Paul_M3 said:
This isn’t difficult to understand unless you’re somebody who’s always trying to twist the truth, like you appear to be.
Yeah this really sounds like i'm trying to twist the truth:"(I don't recall he was, but happy to be corrected)"
VB wasn't racing Hamilton? Really? That's rather naive. He's always racing Hamilton
And no, in the context of when VB was pitted today (which was your whole argument) he wasn’t racing Hamilton.
SmoothCriminal said:
antspants said:
Derek Smith said:
How much of this was down to the big bit of a Ferrari he was carrying around is open to argument.
You're right it is, my previous comments assuming its impact were based on the size of the gap between Max and the Mercs in qualifying and that Bottas opened up a gap quickly on the first lap. Now with the benefit of hindsight I can understand my initial confusion as to why that gap didn't continue to grow at a similar rate. It'll be interesting to hear in the Merc post race video how "significant" (I think that was how his race engineer described it) the aero impact was.
Everyone is getting excited about bottas losing time with a part wedged in the floor, what about the ferrari missing the part.. do we know which car it came from or what the performance cost to them was?
Ferrari is looking suspiciously handy over the last few races. Almost like it has found some power again
Not a bad race overall, given the track is difficult to over take on.
Ferrari is looking suspiciously handy over the last few races. Almost like it has found some power again
Not a bad race overall, given the track is difficult to over take on.
Derek Smith said:
Despite the phenominal luck of that VSC, LH earned the win over VB. He would have been ahead at the pitstop even without the VSC. How much of this was down to the big bit of a Ferrari he was carrying around is open to argument.
LH didn't need the VSC to get out ahead of VB, he already had enough time delta to do that. It was nothing to do with luck, but plenty of people seem to want to portray it that way. vaud said:
Derek Smith said:
Any info on MV's tyre blow out? On the reruns, it looked as if something came off the front whill. This could have been an endplate at the rear blew of course.
Pirelli saying it was due to hitting debris from initial analysis.Nigel_O said:
Did I hear that Valtteri picked up the damage at turn 7 on the first lap?
If so, how did it happen? Valtteri was in the lead, so the track should have been clear
I’m sure one of the Ferraris would have noticed a piece of that size missing - was there a support race?
Lap 2 I believe.If so, how did it happen? Valtteri was in the lead, so the track should have been clear
I’m sure one of the Ferraris would have noticed a piece of that size missing - was there a support race?
Derek Smith said:
Indeed. VB had to pit the lap after MV. It's what they do. It's what happens race after race after race.
LH was fighting with MV and it was obvious to the meanest intelligence that they had to keep LH out until he had 28 secs on him. As it turned out, VB's struggles meant that he kept MV lapping slower than he could go. LH stayed out as long as he was lapping faster than MV. It gave him a cushion. LH had husbanded his tyres, and possibly had more downforce than VB, so keeping his tyres in better condition. How long would he have stayed out? We don't know because of the VSC.
On top of that, VB had a damaged car and was slower than MV. Merc probably thought he would be overtaken, and was. LH was so much faster than VB that it was nonsensical to expect identical tactics just for fairness.
When things were equal with the two cars, LH left VB standing. On the last lap, VB went for fastest lap. So did LH. The latter, in an identical car, with more or less idenical tyres, put in a lap half a second quicker.
This idea that VB was faster than LH requires a bit more support than just the wish.
Despite the phenominal luck of that VSC, LH earned the win over VB. He would have been ahead at the pitstop even without the VSC. How much of this was down to the big bit of a Ferrari he was carrying around is open to argument.
given the difference in driving styles and apparent tyre wear/work between them i would suggest hamilton will be running less downforce, most if not all of the time. i might be wrong,wouldn't be the first time.LH was fighting with MV and it was obvious to the meanest intelligence that they had to keep LH out until he had 28 secs on him. As it turned out, VB's struggles meant that he kept MV lapping slower than he could go. LH stayed out as long as he was lapping faster than MV. It gave him a cushion. LH had husbanded his tyres, and possibly had more downforce than VB, so keeping his tyres in better condition. How long would he have stayed out? We don't know because of the VSC.
On top of that, VB had a damaged car and was slower than MV. Merc probably thought he would be overtaken, and was. LH was so much faster than VB that it was nonsensical to expect identical tactics just for fairness.
When things were equal with the two cars, LH left VB standing. On the last lap, VB went for fastest lap. So did LH. The latter, in an identical car, with more or less idenical tyres, put in a lap half a second quicker.
This idea that VB was faster than LH requires a bit more support than just the wish.
Despite the phenominal luck of that VSC, LH earned the win over VB. He would have been ahead at the pitstop even without the VSC. How much of this was down to the big bit of a Ferrari he was carrying around is open to argument.
Cabinet Enforcer said:
Deesee said:
Tomorrow’s Race
Bottas leads
Hamilton "Bono my tyres are dead"
Bottas pits first onto Hards
Hamilton smashes out another 20 laps, with purple sectors like confetti. Over cuts & has VSC window in hand, gets Softs as only 25 laps to go...
Bottas wants a 2 stop.
Doesn't get it
HAM BOT GAS
Your crystal ball needs a polish, only slightly though Bottas leads
Hamilton "Bono my tyres are dead"
Bottas pits first onto Hards
Hamilton smashes out another 20 laps, with purple sectors like confetti. Over cuts & has VSC window in hand, gets Softs as only 25 laps to go...
Bottas wants a 2 stop.
Doesn't get it
HAM BOT GAS
just watched the race (champagne time).. 
Hub said:
Watched the highlights on 4. Gutted for Russell throwing away actual points!
Do we know why Vettel didn't put under the VSC? Was it literally too short a period as it seemed to finish just after Hamilton pitted, but not sure if that was just due to the highlights!
No it really was short - almost literally just the duration of Hamilton's stop. Do we know why Vettel didn't put under the VSC? Was it literally too short a period as it seemed to finish just after Hamilton pitted, but not sure if that was just due to the highlights!
Just read an article saying it was Vettel's front wing endplate.
Bottas quote "Not my day. I didn’t have a chance with that debris on the car to fight for the win. But at least we secured the one-two which is the perfect way to secure the seventh [constructors’] title for the team in a row.”
Bottas quote "Not my day. I didn’t have a chance with that debris on the car to fight for the win. But at least we secured the one-two which is the perfect way to secure the seventh [constructors’] title for the team in a row.”
wc98 said:
given the difference in driving styles and apparent tyre wear/work between them i would suggest hamilton will be running less downforce, most if not all of the time. i might be wrong,wouldn't be the first time.
Remember, I might be wrong as well, especially as I'm depending on memory.There was a chat about setting up a car, this on Ch4 when they had rights to the live race. An engineer said something like 'balancing downforce against speed is oversimplification of the process[/]. He reckoned that they needed to take into consideration tyre wear, fuel consumption and lots of other stuff. Bigging the problem in fact. But he said – possibly – that more downforce equalled less tyre wear despite higher cornering speeds and later breaking.
I might have got that back to front. Can an engineer, preferably one who is not quite so patronising, explain?
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