Official 2020 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix **SPOILERS**

[wevster]

vaud said:

That's appalling.

That is crazy, he needs a race ban for that.

[vaud]

wevster said:

That is crazy, he needs a race ban for that.

I was thinking more that he was following directions to unlap himself at closer to racing speed while marshalls were on the track. He didn't know they were there... He was told it was okay to pass the safety car?

[TheDeuce]

wevster said:

vaud said:

That's appalling.

That is crazy, he needs a race ban for that.

Insane. And the line he was following would have put him straight through that final Marshall. Kind of have to question why he wasn't given clearer instruction though?

Not making excuses, it's in the end his responsibility...

[l354uge]

Some drivers unlapping were warned and slowed down. Vettel wasn't and was very unhappy about it

[Zoobeef]

He's fine to go faster but there should be double waved yellows in the sector with the marshals for him to slow more.

[wc98]

Derek Smith said:

Remember, I might be wrong as well, especially as I'm depending on memory.

There was a chat about setting up a car, this on Ch4 when they had rights to the live race. An engineer said something like 'balancing downforce against speed is oversimplification of the process[/]. He reckoned that they needed to take into consideration tyre wear, fuel consumption and lots of other stuff. Bigging the problem in fact. But he said – possibly – that more downforce equalled less tyre wear despite higher cornering speeds and later breaking.

I might have got that back to front. Can an engineer, preferably one who is not quite so patronising, explain?

i only grasp some of the basics but looking at hamiltons turn in points in comparison to others including his team mate, he seems to be able to get the balance between shortening the corners (shorter period of lateral load on the tyres reduce wear/keep temp optimum ?) by turning in later without compromising the corner speed.

he never looks as busy as the others from the limited amount you can see from the onboard shots as well.

[Deesee]

5 or 6 of them were released at pace, Stroll got the closest...

[shirt]

Derek Smith said:

Those criticising the Sky commentary, reckoning that it spoils the racing, should try Radio 5 Live. After a while you can sort of switch off listening until something interesting is talked about. There's a bit of emotion, but not too much. their voices go up half an octave when things are exciting, and they have a bit of a laugh. They make the occasional factual mistake, so it's just like all F1 commentators I've ever know.

I like R5L because it is very forgettable, but is still a positive part of the racing.

For one race this year it was unavailable, at least on my computer. Croft ruined the racing for me. In fact, I turned him right down so it was just a mumble. I had Autosport, live timing and, of course, PH. Not as good overall (sorry, guys) but better than the option.

Have to agree. I usually watch the races in Arabic tv with r5 commentary streamed to my hifi.

Croft annoys as he gets excited when there’s nothing to be excited about and tries to be dramatic. I do t mind the odd gaffe but saying things like hamilton was lucky when he had a pitstop in hand is just pure bks.

Bring back fuzzy talker

[ZX10R NIN]

I have to say Racing Point really didn't cover themselves in glory by giving up a podium especially when they already had clear indication that passing was hard on this track.

[wevster]

vaud said:

I was thinking more that he was following directions to unlap himself at closer to racing speed while marshalls were on the track. He didn't know they were there... He was told it was okay to pass the safety car?

Ah ok.

[SmoothCriminal]

I think they were in a rush to get the restart done never seen cars allowed to unlap themselves whilst marshalls are still on the track it has always been when the race is safe to restart.

[Jasandjules]

vaud said:

I was thinking more that he was following directions to unlap himself at closer to racing speed while marshalls were on the track. He didn't know they were there... He was told it was okay to pass the safety car?

But he didn't lift off at all did he?

[g4ry13]

vaud said:

l354uge said:

stroll had a horrible near miss with the marshalls under the SC, FIA need to answer why he was allowed to unlap at racing speed with marshalls on track. Could've been a Tom Pyrce style accident.

That's appalling.

Almost crashed into the Renault which was warming up its tyres too!

[StevieBee]

vaud said:

l354uge said:

stroll had a horrible near miss with the marshalls under the SC, FIA need to answer why he was allowed to unlap at racing speed with marshalls on track. Could've been a Tom Pyrce style accident.

That's appalling.

Blimey! I was expecting to see nothing!!

That's not right.

[faa77]

Paul_M3 said:

And no, in the context of when VB was pitted today (which was your whole argument) he wasn’t racing Hamilton.

I guess you play the short game If I'm first and second place is in a slower car, with my team mate immediately behind in third I'm still racing against my team mate who will no doubt overtake second given how superior the car is.

I guess I just look further than beyond the end of my nose (rear diffuser).

[CoolHands]

wevster said:

vaud said:

That's appalling.

That is crazy, he needs a race ban for that.

Err he was told to catch up.

[Adrian W]

ZX10R NIN said:

I have to say Racing Point really didn't cover themselves in glory by giving up a podium especially when they already had clear indication that passing was hard on this track.

But wouldn’t they look stupid if the bloke they have fired gets a podium whereas the bloke they kept is way down the order

[lord summerisle]

Zoobeef said:

He's fine to go faster but there should be double waved yellows in the sector with the marshals for him to slow more.

There was: the light box on the outside of the track is showing double waved. Flag point on the inside of the corner you only just see, but they are holding up a change of surface and waving yellow.

[ChocolateFrog]

faa77 said:

Murghee said:

And all this talk about vsc helping lewis that isnt true.

Lewis smashed out lap after lap going faster and faster and pulled out a pit stop gap before the vsc. The vsc just mean that bottas was just gonna be few seconds behind instead of one second.

Think bottas's engineer confirmed he was 1 second in danger before the vsc.

On bbc sport all comments are about lucky lewis blah blah..

Raikonnen managed 43 laps on the medium
Bottas was told to pit after 21 laps on the medium

Says it all

Average driver loses to one of the all time greats shocker

[Byker28i]

Paul_M3 said:

faa77 said:

Paul_M3 said:

This isn’t difficult to understand unless you’re somebody who’s always trying to twist the truth, like you appear to be.

Yeah this really sounds like i'm trying to twist the truth:

"(I don't recall he was, but happy to be corrected)"

VB wasn't racing Hamilton? Really? That's rather naive. He's always racing Hamilton

Instead of quoting that bit, why didn’t you quote the rest of your posts with things like ‘being cheated by the team’, them ‘sabotaging his strategy every week’, calling it the ‘Hamilton F1 team’ and a ridiculous comparison to when Raikonnen pitted.

And no, in the context of when VB was pitted today (which was your whole argument) he wasn’t racing Hamilton.

Well called out. Faa77 claims were out of order.
Hamilton made that race his own by sitting back and keeping his tyres good. He knew with Max on the softs he's have a good few laps to make up time, probably take Bottas. As it was Bottas had to cover Max and stay ahead. We saw how much faster Max was than Bottas once he got past him, yet wasn't as fast as Hamilton.
It was those laps where Hamilton went hammer time before his stop that put him ahead, even without the VSC

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 2nd November 08:28