Official 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Thread (Vol 2) *SPOILERS*
Discussion
Carlososos said:
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
vdn said:
Where's all the usual PH suspects???
So... they've admitted AD was wrong.
The end.
Now they seem to have said that and that’s why he’s gone.
Still funny they didn’t sack him and moved him.
Also casts doubt onto the effectiveness of their stewards if they disagree with the stewards ruling.
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
Of course they do
But they miss the paragraph I quoted which follows the one you quoted. I’ve posted the whole document
Because no one here can click on a link. But they miss the paragraph I quoted which follows the one you quoted. I’ve posted the whole document
Give it a rest, the report is out, the rules were broken, masi is no longer race director, Max won because the rules were broken, Max gets to keep his unearned title, the end.
jsf said:
Because no one here can click on a link.
Give it a rest, the report is out, the rules were broken, masi is no longer race director, Max won because the rules were broken, Max gets to keep his unearned title, the end.
Nowhere does the report conclude the rules were broken, just open to a different interpretation that was applied, Hence the autosport article. Should they give it a rest too? Will the lawyers tell Masi to give it a rest if he takes any action? Give it a rest, the report is out, the rules were broken, masi is no longer race director, Max won because the rules were broken, Max gets to keep his unearned title, the end.
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
jsf said:
Because no one here can click on a link.
Give it a rest, the report is out, the rules were broken, masi is no longer race director, Max won because the rules were broken, Max gets to keep his unearned title, the end.
Nowhere does the report conclude the rules were broken, just open to a different interpretation that was applied, Hence the autosport article. Should they give it a rest too? Will the lawyers tell Masi to give it a rest if he takes any action? Give it a rest, the report is out, the rules were broken, masi is no longer race director, Max won because the rules were broken, Max gets to keep his unearned title, the end.
Stuart70 said:
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
jsf said:
Because no one here can click on a link.
Give it a rest, the report is out, the rules were broken, masi is no longer race director, Max won because the rules were broken, Max gets to keep his unearned title, the end.
Nowhere does the report conclude the rules were broken, just open to a different interpretation that was applied, Hence the autosport article. Should they give it a rest too? Will the lawyers tell Masi to give it a rest if he takes any action? Give it a rest, the report is out, the rules were broken, masi is no longer race director, Max won because the rules were broken, Max gets to keep his unearned title, the end.
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
Nowhere does the report conclude the rules were broken, just open to a different interpretation that was applied, Hence the autosport article. Should they give it a rest too? Will the lawyers tell Masi to give it a rest if he takes any action?
OK, you keep on repeating your nonsense.Lewis would be an 8 time champion and Max would not be the current champion, had the rules been followed. The record books wont show that, but this will never be forgotten by those who care about sport.
I'm done with this now. Hopefully Max drives better in future and doesn't revert to type, that would be good for him and the sport.
jsf said:
I'm done with this now. Hopefully Max drives better in future and doesn't revert to type, that would be good for him and the sport.
more importantly I hope the race directors, stewards and FIA get a grip on rules and consistent enforcement.Max drives like a t
t, but he is fast. you can't blame him if he gets away with it. it really isn't difficult, but only in F1 can there be a white line that's not always a white line. jsf said:
OK, you keep on repeating your nonsense.
Lewis would be an 8 time champion and Max would not be the current champion, had the rules been followed. The record books wont show that, but this will never be forgotten by those who care about sport.
I'm done with this now. Hopefully Max drives better in future and doesn't revert to type, that would be good for him and the sport.
It’s not remotely nonsense as all I’m repeating is what has happened (none of it is opinion). If you think what the FIA has done is nonsense then fair enough. It’s hardly my fault is it. Lewis would be an 8 time champion and Max would not be the current champion, had the rules been followed. The record books wont show that, but this will never be forgotten by those who care about sport.
I'm done with this now. Hopefully Max drives better in future and doesn't revert to type, that would be good for him and the sport.
As it stands STILL nobody has said the rules were broken just that they were interpreted in a different way. That is what the document says and professional motorsport journalists are reporting. Nothing to do with me.
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
Stuart70 said:
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
jsf said:
Because no one here can click on a link.
Give it a rest, the report is out, the rules were broken, masi is no longer race director, Max won because the rules were broken, Max gets to keep his unearned title, the end.
Nowhere does the report conclude the rules were broken, just open to a different interpretation that was applied, Hence the autosport article. I regard the report, written by the FIA itself, (from/by a Panel which featured as a member the individual who was at the heart of matters, and no independent members) as a statement of fact.Give it a rest, the report is out, the rules were broken, masi is no longer race director, Max won because the rules were broken, Max gets to keep his unearned title, the end.
Just as, 'because Stewards ruling' there was no wrongdoing prior to its publication.
Bonefish Blues said:
I've taken the liberty (see what I did there) of adding in a sentence which seems to me to accurately represent your position post publication.
Just as, 'because Stewards ruling' there was no wrongdoing prior to its publication.
My understanding was that Masi wasn’t interviewed by the panel conducting the investigation? Just as, 'because Stewards ruling' there was no wrongdoing prior to its publication.
There is also a higher authority than the FIA if it was to be legally challenged…..
All I’ve said post publication is generally what I’ve said all along is that there’s a disconnect between the public statements and the treatment of Masi.
It STILL needs clarifying in my view. As it stands, based on the rulings presented to the public by the stewards and the subsequent published enquiry I still feel Masi has been unfairly treated.
Unsupported during tenure, placed in an impossible scenario by his employer and then hung out to dry by his employer with no real statement that he’s broken any rules.
Either the stewards were right or wrong and if they were right, Masi was right, if they were wrong , Masi was wrong.
No definitive statement on that sadly
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
jsf said:
OK, you keep on repeating your nonsense.
Lewis would be an 8 time champion and Max would not be the current champion, had the rules been followed. The record books wont show that, but this will never be forgotten by those who care about sport.
I'm done with this now. Hopefully Max drives better in future and doesn't revert to type, that would be good for him and the sport.
It’s not remotely nonsense as all I’m repeating is what has happened (none of it is opinion). If you think what the FIA has done is nonsense then fair enough. It’s hardly my fault is it. Lewis would be an 8 time champion and Max would not be the current champion, had the rules been followed. The record books wont show that, but this will never be forgotten by those who care about sport.
I'm done with this now. Hopefully Max drives better in future and doesn't revert to type, that would be good for him and the sport.
As it stands STILL nobody has said the rules were broken just that they were interpreted in a different way. That is what the document says and professional motorsport journalists are reporting. Nothing to do with me.
Since then, they've only amended one of the two (the English wording was updated to match the French, which implies the intention was for all cars, as per Masi's statement at the Eiffel GP) so must feel that the wording of the safety car rule was clear.
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
Bonefish Blues said:
I've taken the liberty (see what I did there) of adding in a sentence which seems to me to accurately represent your position post publication.
Just as, 'because Stewards ruling' there was no wrongdoing prior to its publication.
My understanding was that Masi wasn’t interviewed by the panel conducting the investigation? Just as, 'because Stewards ruling' there was no wrongdoing prior to its publication.
There is also a higher authority than the FIA if it was to be legally challenged…..
All I’ve said post publication is generally what I’ve said all along is that there’s a disconnect between the public statements and the treatment of Masi.
It STILL needs clarifying in my view. As it stands, based on the rulings presented to the public by the stewards and the subsequent published enquiry I still feel Masi has been unfairly treated.
Unsupported during tenure, placed in an impossible scenario by his employer and then hung out to dry by his employer with no real statement that he’s broken any rules.
Either the stewards were right or wrong and if they were right, Masi was right, if they were wrong , Masi was wrong.
No definitive statement on that sadly
It's an irrelevance to cite the Report as not saying x or y, because it never was going to.
The bit about Masi as victim, I agree with - there are 3 losers from this episode, and he's one of them.
Gazzab said:
Masi did such a good job of following the rules that the fia had to clarify both the overtake rule and the safety car rules.
Clearly he didn’t follow the rules and the fia had to mince the conclusion to avoid legal action.
Or the rules were poorly written with a poor governance in the whole process Clearly he didn’t follow the rules and the fia had to mince the conclusion to avoid legal action.
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
Gazzab said:
Masi did such a good job of following the rules that the fia had to clarify both the overtake rule and the safety car rules.
Clearly he didn’t follow the rules and the fia had to mince the conclusion to avoid legal action.
Or the rules were poorly written with a poor governance in the whole process Clearly he didn’t follow the rules and the fia had to mince the conclusion to avoid legal action.
Gazzab said:
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
Gazzab said:
Masi did such a good job of following the rules that the fia had to clarify both the overtake rule and the safety car rules.
Clearly he didn’t follow the rules and the fia had to mince the conclusion to avoid legal action.
Or the rules were poorly written with a poor governance in the whole process Clearly he didn’t follow the rules and the fia had to mince the conclusion to avoid legal action.
The end
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
Gazzab said:
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
Gazzab said:
Masi did such a good job of following the rules that the fia had to clarify both the overtake rule and the safety car rules.
Clearly he didn’t follow the rules and the fia had to mince the conclusion to avoid legal action.
Or the rules were poorly written with a poor governance in the whole process Clearly he didn’t follow the rules and the fia had to mince the conclusion to avoid legal action.
The end
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
Gazzab said:
Cant Find a Charger when I need one said:
Gazzab said:
Masi did such a good job of following the rules that the fia had to clarify both the overtake rule and the safety car rules.
Clearly he didn’t follow the rules and the fia had to mince the conclusion to avoid legal action.
Or the rules were poorly written with a poor governance in the whole process Clearly he didn’t follow the rules and the fia had to mince the conclusion to avoid legal action.
The end
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