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Lewis Hamilton drives Juan Manuel Fangio's W196 around Silverstone!
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
I use to race up and down the country. You raced whatever the circumstance unless you have something that is far worse than a cold.
Try the pain of kidney stones while racing.
The only reason he finished was Bono. He wanted to give up.
Perhaps you need to listen to the footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg-CLxE2-PQ
My ex Brother in law raced his F2 sidecar outfit with a broken collar bone once. He took a saw to the plaster so he could get a bit more movement. I don't think you'd get away with that these days Try the pain of kidney stones while racing.
The only reason he finished was Bono. He wanted to give up.
Perhaps you need to listen to the footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg-CLxE2-PQ
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 31st July 23:15
Bono is worth his weight in gold to Lewis. I hope he is paid very well.
entropy said:
C70R said:
iandc said:
So why the incessant knocking of the guy.
I honestly don't think it has anything to do with his lifestyle.Nor, for the most part, the colour of his skin.
Nor is it anything to do with any level of supposed arrogance.
It's just human nature that we like to look for faults in successful people.
We place people under microscopes, and magnify any minor perceived fault.
Show me one successful person who doesn't have their share of vocal detractors, in F1 or otherwise.
As discussed earlier Button beat Hamilton in wet-dry races. What does that say about Hamilton then and now?
I'm not knocking the guy out of spite or malice. No one is perfect so is there anything wrong with Hamilton's race craft/management perceived or otherwise then it is certainly worthy of debate. I'm happy to be proved wrong rather than responding that I or anyone else is claiming to be speaking tosh.
It often reads more like rival football teams' fans trolling each other on Twitter.
entropy said:
Schumi never shouted out loud he wanted #1 status whereas most others were petulent or acted in an arrogant way to get what they want.
What an absolutely ridiculous comment. Without being present at all his meetings, how would you possibly know how Schumi attained his no.1 status, and how do you know that most of the others "acted in an arrogant way to get what they want."And who determines who is petulant and arrogant?
heebeegeetee said:
entropy said:
Schumi never shouted out loud he wanted #1 status whereas most others were petulent or acted in an arrogant way to get what they want.
What an absolutely ridiculous comment. Without being present at all his meetings, how would you possibly know how Schumi attained his no.1 status, and how do you know that most of the others "acted in an arrogant way to get what they want."And who determines who is petulant and arrogant?
The pertinent point is that Schumacher managed to get a set of favourable circumstance never seen before him to that extent and sure as hell, not after him.
I also think we saw plenty of arrogance from him. It always makes me smile when I remember his response to DC's question 'Have you ever been wrong about anything, Michael'.
'Not that I can remember'.
entropy said:
Won 2010 Australian GP, 2011 Canadian and Hungarian GPs.
& in their 3 seasons together, what were the number of other wet races? (& of those, wet-dry as you prefer)as im not entirely sure you're not falling for the ol' classic 'Jenson Button manoeuvre' ...where you do the exact opposite to those around you & when it comes off, you're a hero - & when it doesn't & you fall back into the pack & luckily no one remembers it
ELUSIVEJIM said:
MarkwG said:
Raced an F1 car with a cold/flu have you? Thought not... Moto GP - ridiculous comparison, plenty of bike riders have retired or not raced through injury or illness. Just because occasionally one does, doesn't make it possible or sensible for everyone else. He didn't check the towel in, though, did he, or he wouldn't have finished at all, let alone with points. Without hearing the tone, or the conversations before the start, there's no way of knowing whether he meant he wanted to stop, or he was asking the question.
I use to race up and down the country. You raced whatever the circumstance unless you have something that is far worse than a cold.Try the pain of kidney stones while racing.
The only reason he finished was Bono. He wanted to give up.
Perhaps you need to listen to the footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg-CLxE2-PQ
Edited by ELUSIVEJIM on Wednesday 31st July 23:15
- similarly you have no idea what ailments any of us have carried through various different herculean tasks which we can't provide evidence for, that's not the point though, is it. Back in reality, you have no idea what the Mercedes plan for Lewis was last weekend, or the data the team were processing that lead them to advise him to continue & are assuming you're best placed to judge that he was just wimping out. Maybe he did want to give up - so what, the evidence is, he dug in, & kept going for 11th place. Doesn't suit your agenda, though, does it...?Grahamdub said:
My ex Brother in law raced his F2 sidecar outfit with a broken collar bone once. He took a saw to the plaster so he could get a bit more movement. I don't think you'd get away with that these days
Bono is worth his weight in gold to Lewis. I hope he is paid very well.
WOW.Bono is worth his weight in gold to Lewis. I hope he is paid very well.
MarkwG said:
Well done you - similarly you have no idea what ailments any of us have carried through various different herculean tasks which we can't provide evidence for, that's not the point though, is it. Back in reality, you have no idea what the Mercedes plan for Lewis was last weekend, or the data the team were processing that lead them to advise him to continue & are assuming you're best placed to judge that he was just wimping out. Maybe he did want to give up - so what, the evidence is, he dug in, & kept going for 11th place. Doesn't suit your agenda, though, does it...?
He wanted to give up and Bono told him not too. - similarly you have no idea what ailments any of us have carried through various different herculean tasks which we can't provide evidence for, that's not the point though, is it. Back in reality, you have no idea what the Mercedes plan for Lewis was last weekend, or the data the team were processing that lead them to advise him to continue & are assuming you're best placed to judge that he was just wimping out. Maybe he did want to give up - so what, the evidence is, he dug in, & kept going for 11th place. Doesn't suit your agenda, though, does it...?That is the facts.
2fast748 said:
Is it not possible that Lewis wanted to retire the car simply to save the engine thinking there was no reward (points) to be had?
As he lost a title to a blown engine (ducks and runs...) you can't blame him.
All it takes is a few bad races and that 2 points in Germany could make the difference.As he lost a title to a blown engine (ducks and runs...) you can't blame him.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
MarkwG said:
Well done you - similarly you have no idea what ailments any of us have carried through various different herculean tasks which we can't provide evidence for, that's not the point though, is it. Back in reality, you have no idea what the Mercedes plan for Lewis was last weekend, or the data the team were processing that lead them to advise him to continue & are assuming you're best placed to judge that he was just wimping out. Maybe he did want to give up - so what, the evidence is, he dug in, & kept going for 11th place. Doesn't suit your agenda, though, does it...?
He wanted to give up and Bono told him not too. - similarly you have no idea what ailments any of us have carried through various different herculean tasks which we can't provide evidence for, that's not the point though, is it. Back in reality, you have no idea what the Mercedes plan for Lewis was last weekend, or the data the team were processing that lead them to advise him to continue & are assuming you're best placed to judge that he was just wimping out. Maybe he did want to give up - so what, the evidence is, he dug in, & kept going for 11th place. Doesn't suit your agenda, though, does it...?That is the facts.
Grahamdub said:
My ex Brother in law raced his F2 sidecar outfit with a broken collar bone once. He took a saw to the plaster so he could get a bit more movement. I don't think you'd get away with that these days
Bono is worth his weight in gold to Lewis. I hope he is paid very well.
you can't plaster cast a collar bone can you? ...i drove to local A&E when i did mine, one handed & using my knee on the steering wheel when changing gear (unsurprisingly i wasn't allowed to drive home)Bono is worth his weight in gold to Lewis. I hope he is paid very well.
HighwayStar said:
I think in this case you are probably right but it's not as though Bono had to spend the next 2mins convincing Lewis to keep going.
It would have been interesting to hear the next few laps but he did carry on and it paid in the end. I hope Bono got a pat on the back after intervening. He seems to be able to calm Hamilton down in these situations which is priceless.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
HighwayStar said:
I think in this case you are probably right but it's not as though Bono had to spend the next 2mins convincing Lewis to keep going.
It would have been interesting to hear the next few laps but he did carry on and it paid in the end. I hope Bono got a pat on the back after intervening. He seems to be able to calm Hamilton down in these situations which is priceless.
HighwayStar said:
Considering there were thoughts of putting another driver in the car I think most would understand, with his performance way below his usual leave, Lewis wanting to bail. I'll and a bad day at the office etc..
It sure was perhaps his worst race and it was due to not feeling well.However, his save with his second spin preventing the car from hitting the barrier was very impressive.
Something Bottas just could not work out in such a fast spin.
Lewis is very special.
heebeegeetee said:
What an absolutely ridiculous comment. Without being present at all his meetings, how would you possibly know how Schumi attained his no.1 status, and how do you know that most of the others "acted in an arrogant way to get what they want."
And who determines who is petulant and arrogant?
Pat Symonds, Ross Brawn many others have said how pleasant and a pleasure it was to work with Schumi. The former knows a thing or two having remarked how Alonso & Senna could be intense individuals but never said that about Michael.And who determines who is petulant and arrogant?
angrymoby said:
& in their 3 seasons together, what were the number of other wet races? (& of those, wet-dry as you prefer)
as im not entirely sure you're not falling for the ol' classic 'Jenson Button manoeuvre' ...where you do the exact opposite to those around you & when it comes off, you're a hero - & when it doesn't & you fall back into the pack & luckily no one remembers it
2011 Canada & Hungary GP Button was not the first to pit for slicks; Hungary he pitted before Lewis even though LH would have been given priority for leading.as im not entirely sure you're not falling for the ol' classic 'Jenson Button manoeuvre' ...where you do the exact opposite to those around you & when it comes off, you're a hero - & when it doesn't & you fall back into the pack & luckily no one remembers it
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