Christian Horner
Discussion
davidd said:
skwdenyer said:
I’d agree with this view. JS has only one product: his F1 access. I don’t know how Liberty approach things, but under Bernie a journalist’s pass was something that could be - and was - withdrawn.
I don’t begrudge him a need to keep earning a living. I don’t need a journalist to tell me what to think. I don’t even have to agree with what a journalist writes. The role a journalist like JS has to me is in gaining access to places I cannot. I can form my own views.
In consequence, I still read JS’ output. As with any source, I use my own critical thinking skills whilst reading it. And if he doesn’t agree with my worldview on some aspects that’s no reason for me to stop reading it.
From what I recall the FIA used to issue press and photo passes not FOM. I don’t begrudge him a need to keep earning a living. I don’t need a journalist to tell me what to think. I don’t even have to agree with what a journalist writes. The role a journalist like JS has to me is in gaining access to places I cannot. I can form my own views.
In consequence, I still read JS’ output. As with any source, I use my own critical thinking skills whilst reading it. And if he doesn’t agree with my worldview on some aspects that’s no reason for me to stop reading it.
Forester1965 said:
Gazzab said:
That bbc article backs the theories expressed on here eg that the messages are real, that RB have ensured she remains silent etc. Interesting to read that an ET is registered. RB will be trying to keep the hearing private if it gets that far. I assume they can’t actually do that.
Either side could apply for a reporting restriction order under s.11 of the Employment Tribunals Act. I guess if the application were successful in this case it'd mean no reporting until judgment was handed down.
Forester1965 said:
Gazzab said:
That bbc article backs the theories expressed on here eg that the messages are real, that RB have ensured she remains silent etc. Interesting to read that an ET is registered. RB will be trying to keep the hearing private if it gets that far. I assume they can’t actually do that.
Either side could apply for a reporting restriction order under s.11 of the Employment Tribunals Act. I guess if the application were successful in this case it'd mean no reporting until judgment was handed down.
skwdenyer said:
I believe that's so. But under the old guard, Bernie and Max worked pretty closely. In any case, the issue here was whether JS criticised (or did not) the FIA (Masi). My wider point was agreeing that JS was unlikely to bite the hand that ensures food makes it to his table.
All very true, Under the old guard the FIA issued passes, I remember there was talk of FOM getting full control of it but I don't believe that happened (we used to maintain the pass issuing system). Bernie and his 'helper' had a fair degree of influence over who got in.Just to add a bit more spice to this never ending debate......Geri.......why would you stay with this creepy bloke going forward? Cheats on his pregnant ex with Geri, now cheats on her......I guess what comes around goes around. You get what you deserve.
Apart from money and perceived power which can be lost at any moment what is the attraction to this complete waster.
Apart from money and perceived power which can be lost at any moment what is the attraction to this complete waster.
Gazzab said:
That bbc article backs the theories expressed on here eg that the messages are real, that RB have ensured she remains silent etc. Interesting to read that an ET is registered. RB will be trying to keep the hearing private if it gets that far. I assume they can’t actually do that.
Also it throws back into Horny's face similar allegation he made over when RB were accused of cheating over breaking the finance gap. He claimed families were affected, kids were being bullied in the playground...https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2022/10/22/c...
"The woman who complained about Red Bull team principal Christian Horner's behaviour is "very upset, angry, scared, intimidated and lonely", a family friend has told BBC Sport."
It rather sounds like they've done their best to keep her quiet, whilst trying to claim Horny is innocent
simon_harris said:
whatever morality failings he might have you cannot argue that CH isn't charismatic, intelligent and successful. In addition to that while he might not float my boat I would also argue he isn't unattractive.
Which all conquer morals for sure. No doubt she will stay with him. Wonder what happened to "Girl Power" here. Seems it was all a PR stunt. Good luck to her, licence to do what he wants whenever he wants.Forester1965 said:
BBC said:
The woman who complained about Red Bull team principal Christian Horner's behaviour is "very upset, angry, scared, intimidated and lonely", a family friend has told BBC Sport.
Jos not returning her calls I guess.Gazzab said:
That bbc article backs the theories expressed on here that the messages are real..
Not quite. It does however strongly re-affirm (while trying to weasily say otherwise) what plenty have been saying ie. that they are an accurate but incomplete set of data...BBC said:
BBC Sport has not verified whether the messages are genuine, and attempts in early March to ask Horner to confirm it were shut down by a Red Bull PR handler.
However, the friend claimed the messages were a genuine exchange between Horner and the complainant.
The "friend" then goes on to implore everyone to draw their conclusions from that exchange only....However, the friend claimed the messages were a genuine exchange between Horner and the complainant.
BBC said:
The friend said: "We can all read the WhatsApps and anybody can come to their own conclusion whether that was an appropriate relationship between a CEO and a PA.
So nothing new. Just another attempt to redeploy the same tactic that the selective leak was supposed to achieve, with added hand-wringing and a concerted effort to dismiss the notion that there are two sides to every story.anonymous friend interviewed by BBC said:
I do feel like you had some people who feel it takes two to tango, but that's unfair. That is trying to divert.
Physician, heal thyself.ETA The complainant was under no obligation to sign a NDA, so to complain about the restrictions it places on them now is somewhat bizarre. Why not decline and go public from the off - unless of course you had something to hide yourself?!
ETA again - the sensationalist headline is also a bit odd? Scared? Really. Of what exactly? I doubt she has been threatened with reprisals? Maybe its Jos who isn't happy with her. I could understand her being scared of him...
Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 2nd April 15:59
Byker28i said:
Gazzab said:
That bbc article backs the theories expressed on here eg that the messages are real, that RB have ensured she remains silent etc. Interesting to read that an ET is registered. RB will be trying to keep the hearing private if it gets that far. I assume they can’t actually do that.
Also it throws back into Horny's face similar allegation he made over when RB were accused of cheating over breaking the finance gap. He claimed families were affected, kids were being bullied in the playground...https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2022/10/22/c...
"The woman who complained about Red Bull team principal Christian Horner's behaviour is "very upset, angry, scared, intimidated and lonely", a family friend has told BBC Sport."
It rather sounds like they've done their best to keep her quiet, whilst trying to claim Horny is innocent
t, Sherlock. Now, if there were to be an accusation of criminality; rape, molestation, unwanted advances leading to sexual misbehaviour - CH would be toast. It would take less than 5 minutes from an allegation of criminality for CH to resign and “vow to clear his name”.
The PA has nothing on CH because she was the other of a marital betrayal of CH’s wife and her employer. She lacks integrity in going there in the first place and now has “dishonesty” as an allegation that will follow her career like a bad smell.
She should just STFU take the money and work on a disguise. She’s going to need one.
NRS said:
Evercross, where is the evidence about Jos? Are you running around saying rumours are the truth now? Again a bit ironic...
I doubt these allegations by Evercross can be proven, be interesting to see the proof, but then the apologists need to have it all tied up as a nasty plot against poor Christian...maz8062 said:
Because there’s no smoking gun. It’s plain and simple an extra marital affair, consensual affair, that’s gone pear shaped. He’s gone back to his wife, kids and lucrative job while she’s suspended watching day time tv and complaining that the world is not fair. No st, Sherlock.
Now, if there were to be an accusation of criminality; rape, molestation, unwanted advances leading to sexual misbehaviour - CH would be toast. It would take less than 5 minutes from an allegation of criminality for CH to resign and “vow to clear his name”.
The PA has nothing on CH because she was the other of a marital betrayal of CH’s wife and her employer. She lacks integrity in going there in the first place and now has “dishonesty” as an allegation that will follow her career like a bad smell.
She should just STFU take the money and work on a disguise. She’s going to need one.
The only thing we've seen is one side of the Whatsapp messages that clearly show Horny went too far after a consensual affair. Sexual harassment in the workplace.t, Sherlock. Now, if there were to be an accusation of criminality; rape, molestation, unwanted advances leading to sexual misbehaviour - CH would be toast. It would take less than 5 minutes from an allegation of criminality for CH to resign and “vow to clear his name”.
The PA has nothing on CH because she was the other of a marital betrayal of CH’s wife and her employer. She lacks integrity in going there in the first place and now has “dishonesty” as an allegation that will follow her career like a bad smell.
She should just STFU take the money and work on a disguise. She’s going to need one.
Despite your best attempts to smear the PA - she clearly took action after Horny wouldn't take no for an answer when she wanted to end it - only you need her to be the guilty party so you can continue to idolise Red Bull and all they do, so are continuing to make up unfounded, unproven allegations.
There's nothing at all to prove anything you've said, whereas there's plenty about Horny's behavior and whats becoming mnore and more obvious of RB's attempt to whitewash it.
I really can't understand this cult like adolation you have
Forester1965 said:
"very upset, angry, scared, intimidated and lonely"So we now know she's a retired bloke who posts in the NPE section.
Muzzer79 said:
Adrian W said:
NDA's don't squash criminal offences, she deeds a cleverer lawyer
What criminal act has taken place?Then there's possible RB action against her, could that be covered under whistleblower laws?
DonkeyApple said:
"very upset, angry, scared, intimidated and lonely"
So we now know she's a retired bloke who posts in the NPE section.
Looking at some of the posts on this thread I'm beginning to think Evercross and Byker are actually Horner and complainant in a pseudonym-based-battle-royale of shame.So we now know she's a retired bloke who posts in the NPE section.
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