Vettel and traction control?

Vettel and traction control?

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RobGT81

5,229 posts

188 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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BaronVonVaderham said:
He does what his (illegal) car is capable of. .
Looking forward to the facts backing this up. scratchchin

BaronVonVaderham

2,320 posts

149 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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RobGT81 said:
Looking forward to the facts backing this up. scratchchin
If you find some, do let us all know thumbup

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

192 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Composite Guru said:
I think people should stop cussing this bloke and move on. Do you really think its in Red Bulls interest to cheat to win a championship? If they were cheating and got found out then they would be finished in F1 imo.
But it happens doesn't it. Such as that impeccable company called Toyota and their WRC efforts. Simply claiming people wouldn't cheat, is somewhat delusional at best.

vonuber

17,868 posts

167 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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There's a difference between clever interpretation of the rules (that usually get retroactively banned, e.g. the hole in the floor of the Williams) and an illegal car (e.g. having active suspension fitted).
RedBull are, at the moment, just interpreting the rules better than the others (and I am sure if it was Mclaren doing so, as they so often have before, people would be singing the praises of the design team and not saying it was all down to the driver..).


Carmo99

1,308 posts

188 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Its an interesting discussion and as I posted in Monza, the traction of Vettle was a clear factor better than the Ferraris and the Merc's. The car also sounded very different, a lumpy staccato type sound all through the corner.I just assumed its was the Renault engines characteristic.
I guess its totally legal only very clever. Add in a very good driver and you get the world championship. Even our D Hill was able to win when he had a great car.

walsh

652 posts

161 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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BaronVonVaderham said:
walsh said:
Is it possible ( and I admit this may be a stretch), that Vettel is, well, just the quickest guy out there in an F1 car?

Just a thought.
No it's not and he isn't. He does what his (illegal) car is capable of. Having chatted to a few F1 engineers during a Renaultsport tour of the F1 garages on the thursday of last years Silverstone GP they all said that the one constant (with respect to performance and setup changes) is the drivers, they can ALL extract the absolute maximum from the cars (errors aside!).
I'd love for this to be the case, As I am far from a vettel fan, I just don't find him likeable. I suspect that this is blown out of proportion though. His car will be the quickest, He is bloody consistant (he just is...), so he stonks of into the lead.

They will find out what it is, It will be within the guidlines, a slight change in ruling will even it out, and redbull will sort something else to make seb's car faster than everyone else.

Point still stands though. When was the last time vettel span/crashed on his own in a race?

moffspeed

2,751 posts

209 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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moffspeed said:
"If you look at the onboard, he is on the power full throttle at least 20 metres before anyone else, which is a huge advantage."

"There is nothing you can really do, as you are always asking for more rear downforce."

"The last time I was able to put the pedal down that quick was back in 2007 or 2008, when we had traction control."


Lewis Hamilton interviewed in Korea this week. Was this a) a compliment to Vettel or b) a veiled accusation that RB do run some form of TC ??
As others have said so often (including Alonso today) the Red Bull cars are "probably" legal and its just a case of the other teams getting smarter and trying to catch up.

Ross - you mightn't be able to stick any TC in the Merc but what Lewis wants is downforce. This might help you come up with something :


anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Oh well, regardless of legality it does now appear clear that 'the car's the star'.

Dalmahoy

184 posts

140 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Hmmmmm!

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Dalmahoy said:
Hmmmmm!
Presumably that was in the development stage?

FourWheelDrift

88,831 posts

286 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Dalmahoy said:
Hmmmmm!
That is out of the p...... tarmaced hairpin at Montreal and it's Mark Webber and he's won so many races and World Championships I've lost count.

entropy

5,499 posts

205 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Dalmahoy said:
Hmmmmm!
According Scarbs it's caused by driveline oscillation.

jbudgie

9,014 posts

214 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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vonuber said:
There's a difference between clever interpretation of the rules (that usually get retroactively banned, e.g. the hole in the floor of the Williams) and an illegal car (e.g. having active suspension fitted).
RedBull are, at the moment, just interpreting the rules better than the others (and I am sure if it was Mclaren doing so, as they so often have before, people would be singing the praises of the design team and not saying it was all down to the driver..).
You really are a bit of a Red Bull fan aren't you .lick

vonuber

17,868 posts

167 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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jbudgie said:
You really are a bit of a Red Bull fan aren't you .lick
Nope, no really. Have always been a bit of Ferrari fan tbh. But that's besides the point; care to refute to what I wrote rather than putting in childish smilies?

PiB

1,199 posts

272 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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I'm not really a scarbs fan anymore. It maybe a drivetrain oscillation or it may be this new traction device attempting to work. It seems like every tire patch mark would be unwanted one way or another.

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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entropy said:
Dalmahoy said:
Hmmmmm!
According Scarbs it's caused by driveline oscillation.
Possibly, or bumps, it's quite commonly seen....... Oh wait a minute....

FourWheelDrift

88,831 posts

286 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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Actually that looks like very bad traction control but very good ABS. smile

groomi

9,317 posts

245 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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That pic shows alternating tyre marks which fits with Scarbs' opinion.

woof

8,456 posts

279 months

Thursday 3rd October 2013
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(posted in the korean thread but figured it was good for both )

Just watched the drivers' press conference
Lewis stirred it up at the end when asked about Vettels pace and that Vettel was on full throttle 20m before anyone else.

Q: What sort of reaction does that make you have and the team have; what can you do about that?
LH: There’s nothing we can really do, we’re always asking for rear downforce, always want to be able to get on the power sooner. But the last time I was able to put the pedal down that quick was what, 2007, 2008? 2007 when we had traction control, so it’s a lot different.

A Scotsman

1,000 posts

201 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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Now this would seem to be an admission of something..

http://www.newsonf1.co.uk/2013/news/Oct/article_Re...