The Official Japanese GP thread 2013

[RYH64E]

RichB said:

Jasandjules said:

Not to mention Massa - another awesome job by him, when under such pressure too.

On the contrary, I would have thought Massa is driving with no pressure at all.

If Massa wants another season in F1 then he's got to show the other teams that he's worth it, so some pressure to succeed in the last few races of this season, maybe more pressure than when he had a multi year Ferrari deal in his pocket.

[slipstream 1985]

RYH64E said:

RichB said:

Jasandjules said:

Not to mention Massa - another awesome job by him, when under such pressure too.

On the contrary, I would have thought Massa is driving with no pressure at all.

If Massa wants another season in F1 then he's got to show the other teams that he's worth it, so some pressure to succeed in the last few races of this season, maybe more pressure than when he had a multi year Ferrari deal in his pocket.

If he'd driven like this all year ferrari might have been in with a shout of the constructors championship

[007 VXR]

VolvoT5 said:

That Horner interview basically just made it clear that Mark will be expected to move over if Vettel is behind and has a chance to complete the WDC win.... "They will do the best they can for the team"

It is a team sport. Still, would be nice to see Mark win before leaving F1.

[RYH64E]

slipstream 1985 said:

If he'd driven like this all year ferrari might have been in with a shout of the constructors championship

Let's keep it in perspective, he only qualified 5th...

[anonymous-user]

If Webber gets away from the start well then he should get to turn 1 first as he has less drag than Vettel, but its a big if.

[slipstream 1985]

RYH64E said:

slipstream 1985 said:

If he'd driven like this all year ferrari might have been in with a shout of the constructors championship

Let's keep it in perspective, he only qualified 5th...

an average finishing position of 5th would have him on 190 points. but i agree with you one swallow doesn't make a spring

[MonkeyHanger]

As Webber is on pole I'll make the effort to stay up after Bathurst.

[MissChief]

Thing is, even if Deitrich himself asks him to let Vettel through he'd tell them to bugger off. Except less politely.

[valais]

MissChief said:

Thing is, even if Deitrich himself asks him to let Vettel through he'd tell them to bugger off. Except less politely.

I reckon it would be his last Grand Prix if he did.

[jbudgie]

valais said:

MissChief said:

Thing is, even if Deitrich himself asks him to let Vettel through he'd tell them to bugger off. Except less politely.

I reckon it would be his last Grand Prix if he did.

Do you ?

[zac510]

A Webber win would definitely be a popular one with the fans.

I didn't realise until today that Chilton had finished every race. For the criticism he gets here that's a pretty solid effort. +1 to him.

[jbudgie]

"I can't see them asking nor Webber cooperating."


Exactly.;)

[valais]

jbudgie said:

Do you ?

Err, yes, which is why I said it..

[jbudgie]

zac510 said:

A Webber win would definitely be a popular one with the fans.

I didn't realise until today that Chilton had finished every race. For the criticism he gets here that's a pretty solid effort. +1 to him.

He seems to be doing a pretty good job---think he will be around next year.

[jbudgie]

valais said:

jbudgie said:

Do you ?

Err, yes, which is why I said it..

Fine.

[vonuber]

So it's ok to disobey team orders now? I am confused, I thought after multi 21 it was a bad thing.

[RYH64E]

MissChief said:

Thing is, even if Deitrich himself asks him to let Vettel through he'd tell them to bugger off. Except less politely.

Why would Red Bull care is Webber wins? Vettel doesn't need the points for the drivers championship, a 1-2 or 2-1 both work the the constructors championship, and Vettel owes Webber for Multi21. The only bad outcome for Red Bull is if both drivers take each other out, and that's as much in Vettel's hands as Webber's.

[007 VXR]

RYH64E said:

MissChief said:

Thing is, even if Deitrich himself asks him to let Vettel through he'd tell them to bugger off. Except less politely.

Why would Red Bull care is Webber wins? Vettel doesn't need the points for the drivers championship, a 1-2 or 2-1 both work the the constructors championship, and Vettel owes Webber for Multi21. The only bad outcome for Red Bull is if both drivers take each other out, and that's as much in Vettel's hands as Webber's.

RB will want the Finger to have the extra 7 pints, remember last season ?

[Jasandjules]

vonuber said:

So it's ok to disobey team orders now? I am confused, I thought after multi 21 it was a bad thing.

No you misunderstand. When the likable Aussie disobeys (as he did before Multi 21) this is fine, when the nasty German disobey (and I would remind those with blinkered memories here that Webber didn't exactly let Vettel past, he fought for it and lost) then this is a problem.


However, Vettel is unlikely to need team orders to get past Webber tomorrow, he'll do it anyways.

Oh, can someone tell me how Webber wasn't penalised for holding up another driver ? Seems to be rather differing treatment to last weekend when a driver is on a hot lap and is "impeding" Di Resta?!?!!?

[valais]

jbudgie said:

Fine.

It would also give them the perfect reason to put DR in the car for a few races with less pressure and expectations.

To be honest once. Mark announced his exit, I'm surprised they didn't do it starightaway. Aside form this quali he hasn't exactly been setting the track on fire this year. (Aside from Korea )