Goodbye Perez?

[AFC1886]

Whitmarsh should have gone long before Perez!

[Gun]

McLaren should sign the Hulk IMO.

[Rollcage]

I don't think the intimated criticism of Button is entirely fair. The car is a bit of a dog this year, to say the least.

What was the points gap between Button and Hamilton again over their races together?

[Swervin_Mervin]

Rollcage said:

I don't think the intimated criticism of Button is entirely fair. The car is a bit of a dog this year, to say the least.

What was the points gap between Button and Hamilton again over their races together?

Button vs Hamilton:

2010: Button 214pts - Hamilton 240pts
2011: Button 270pts - Hamilton 227pts
2012: Button 188pts - Hamilton 190pts

So not a bad record at all, given everyone said he'd be embarassed by Hamilton

[Rollcage]

Yes, 15 points in JB's favour, which was my point.

[Catatafish]

Swervin_Mervin said:

Button vs Hamilton:

2010: Button 214pts - Hamilton 240pts
2011: Button 270pts - Hamilton 227pts
2012: Button 188pts - Hamilton 190pts

So not a bad record at all, given everyone said he'd be embarassed by Hamilton

Points don't tell the whole story.

Qualifying
Faster qualifying time: Hamilton 44 / Button 14
Poles: Hamilton 9 / Button 1
Front rows: Hamilton: 23 / Button 9

Races
Wins: Hamilton 10 / Button 8
Podiums: Hamilton 22 / Button 25
Points finishes: Hamilton 45 / Button 47
DNFs: Hamilton 13 / Button 8
Best race result (inc DNFs): Hamilton 32 / Button 26
Ahead in two-car finish: Hamilton 24 / Button 13

Championship
Overall points: Hamilton 657 / Button 672
Seasons finished higher in standings: Hamilton 2 / Button 1
Highest championship placing: Hamilton 4th (2010, 2012) / Button 2nd (2011

(from http://www.jamesallenonf1.com)

[Swervin_Mervin]

Points are the slightly important bit. It's what wins people things. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you can't bring the points home.

[Marc W]

Catatafish said:

Points don't tell the whole story.

Qualifying
Faster qualifying time: Hamilton 44 / Button 14
Poles: Hamilton 9 / Button 1
Front rows: Hamilton: 23 / Button 9

Races
Wins: Hamilton 10 / Button 8
Podiums: Hamilton 22 / Button 25
Points finishes: Hamilton 45 / Button 47
DNFs: Hamilton 13 / Button 8
Best race result (inc DNFs): Hamilton 32 / Button 26
Ahead in two-car finish: Hamilton 24 / Button 13

Championship
Overall points: Hamilton 657 / Button 672
Seasons finished higher in standings: Hamilton 2 / Button 1
Highest championship placing: Hamilton 4th (2010, 2012) / Button 2nd (2011

(from http://www.jamesallenonf1.com)

The trouble with statistics in general is that they can't tell you what happened on any particular event, if either driver had a problem or was held up etc. They can be useful but relying on them alone to say how good a driver is, is a bit flawed.

[benters]

so, back to topic perhaps. . . where is Checo going to go ? anyone with any hunches

[ajprice]

benters said:

so, back to topic perhaps. . . where is Checo going to go ? anyone with any hunches

Probably joining in the Force India / Sauber / Lotus musical chairs. Williams and Toro Rosso are booked up now. There isn't anywhere else now other than Caterham/Marussia or getting a test driver seat somewhere.

[Flying Toilet]

Cant believe Whitmarsh has lasted this long.

[AndrewEH1]

Flying Toilet said:

Cant believe Whitmarsh has lasted this long.

I'd agree he isn't the best. But who else for the job?

[Silent1]

Catatafish said:

Points don't tell the whole story.

Qualifying
Faster qualifying time: Hamilton 44 / Button 14
Poles: Hamilton 9 / Button 1
Front rows: Hamilton: 23 / Button 9

Races
Wins: Hamilton 10 / Button 8
Podiums: Hamilton 22 / Button 25
Points finishes: Hamilton 45 / Button 47
DNFs: Hamilton 13 / Button 8
Best race result (inc DNFs): Hamilton 32 / Button 26
Ahead in two-car finish: Hamilton 24 / Button 13

Championship
Overall points: Hamilton 657 / Button 672
Seasons finished higher in standings: Hamilton 2 / Button 1
Highest championship placing: Hamilton 4th (2010, 2012) / Button 2nd (2011

(from http://www.jamesallenonf1.com)

What does best race result including DNFs mean?

[Flying Toilet]

Katie Clements would do a better job than him.

[Baker1]

AndrewEH1 said:

I'd agree he isn't the best. But who else for the job?

Ross?

[sandman77]

Silent1 said:

What does best race result including DNFs mean?

It is the number of times each driver finished ahead of the other (I think).

[Chipmunk1]

I agree with what was said a few posts back about him being a yes man to Ron, I think that's why he is still there

[oyster]

Catatafish said:

Swervin_Mervin said:

Button vs Hamilton:

2010: Button 214pts - Hamilton 240pts
2011: Button 270pts - Hamilton 227pts
2012: Button 188pts - Hamilton 190pts

So not a bad record at all, given everyone said he'd be embarassed by Hamilton

Points don't tell the whole story.

Qualifying
Faster qualifying time: Hamilton 44 / Button 14
Poles: Hamilton 9 / Button 1
Front rows: Hamilton: 23 / Button 9

Races
Wins: Hamilton 10 / Button 8
Podiums: Hamilton 22 / Button 25
Points finishes: Hamilton 45 / Button 47
DNFs: Hamilton 13 / Button 8
Best race result (inc DNFs): Hamilton 32 / Button 26
Ahead in two-car finish: Hamilton 24 / Button 13

Championship
Overall points: Hamilton 657 / Button 672
Seasons finished higher in standings: Hamilton 2 / Button 1
Highest championship placing: Hamilton 4th (2010, 2012) / Button 2nd (2011

(from http://www.jamesallenonf1.com)

All that shows is what an amazing race driver Button is. To have outscored Lewis with such a speed deficit.

[CraigyMc]

oyster said:

All that shows is what an amazing race driver Button is. To have outscored Lewis with such a speed deficit.

I wonder if the stats would look any different if the FIA had been dishing out points for fastest laps and poles.

I don't think anyone would suggest that Button is genuinely faster over a single lap than Hammo in general.

I do think Button has always had a focus on what happens at the end of the race, rather than at the end of qualifying. I think Perez is similar in this regard, but not as good as Button.

[bishbash]

Kevin Magnussen now confirmed as replacement