Is Jenson Button the best driver in F1?
Discussion
JB: Guy's, I really feel that the car will be best for my driving style if it's unreliable and underpowered.
RD: Thanks Jenson, we really appreciate your feedback.
I think it's quite outdated to think that drivers have a big influence on the development of the car - particularly the in the initial development. There is so many sensors on the car and computing power in the teams that give much more reliable, consistent and quantitative feedback.
RD: Thanks Jenson, we really appreciate your feedback.
I think it's quite outdated to think that drivers have a big influence on the development of the car - particularly the in the initial development. There is so many sensors on the car and computing power in the teams that give much more reliable, consistent and quantitative feedback.
Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Saturday 26th December 11:47
Not sure what there is to misunderstand....
Remember, correlation does not imply causation.
The engineers would know if Jenson was a t
t. At this level the engineers are mum and dad; the driver is a two year old toddler. Basically, the toddler can say "I need pee pee" or "I need poo poo", the mum and dad have to go to work, pay the bills, buy the food and cook, keep the bleach in the high-up cupboards and when little Jenson says "ants are tasty" they explain why ants are not tasty.
Now, coming to the end of his career, if Jenson was still eating ants he would not be working in F1.
Remember, correlation does not imply causation.
The engineers would know if Jenson was a t
t. At this level the engineers are mum and dad; the driver is a two year old toddler. Basically, the toddler can say "I need pee pee" or "I need poo poo", the mum and dad have to go to work, pay the bills, buy the food and cook, keep the bleach in the high-up cupboards and when little Jenson says "ants are tasty" they explain why ants are not tasty.Now, coming to the end of his career, if Jenson was still eating ants he would not be working in F1.
BoredNerd said:
It can't be closed. We're about to find out how Jenson Button is single handedly responsible for the poor car development in every car he's ever driven!
Including the one that won the WDC / WCC!
We're through the fking looking-glass here, people.
Don't you mean "we're through the fIncluding the one that won the WDC / WCC!
We're through the f
king looking-glass here, people.king looking-glass people, here"? BoredNerd said:
It can't be closed. We're about to find out how Jenson Button is single handedly responsible for the poor car development in every car he's ever driven!
Including the one that won the WDC / WCC!
We're through the fking looking-glass here, people.
If the point of these fIncluding the one that won the WDC / WCC!
We're through the f
king looking-glass here, people.king forums was just to post actual proven facts then every topic would consist of a link to a news article and then everyone posting "So true" in response. But all that seems to have gone over various peoples heads. It's called an opinion on a discussion board, my evidence is right here on my middle finger. Here, i'll show you.
BarbaricAvatar said:
BoredNerd said:
It can't be closed. We're about to find out how Jenson Button is single handedly responsible for the poor car development in every car he's ever driven!
Including the one that won the WDC / WCC!
We're through the fking looking-glass here, people.
If the point of these fIncluding the one that won the WDC / WCC!
We're through the f
king looking-glass here, people.king forums was just to post actual proven facts then every topic would consist of a link to a news article and then everyone posting "So true" in response. But all that seems to have gone over various peoples heads. It's called an opinion on a discussion board, my evidence is right here on my middle finger. Here, i'll show you.
It still baffles me when people say 'x driver is amazing' or 'y driver is rubbish'. In F1, they're all amazing. Jenson Button described his current McLaren as 'amazing', even though it's clearly not up to scratch. But it's still an amazing piece of engineering. Ditto the drivers; they're all there, it's just that the likes of Hamilton and Alonso are that extra 2% on any of the supposed lesser drivers. And, as spectators, we're unlikely to see where that 2% really is. It's too fine a margin to discern from our TV screens or AutoSport articles.
Say each F1 team employs circa 500 members of staff. How many are involved in development? Not to mention test and reserve drivers, who will aid developing the car (along with team mates). This could be a team with a 200 million budget. Spending 10 million per race. All the technology in the car, the sensors, the wind tunnels, the mad paint they use to map air flow, the telemetry data that's painstakingly analysed by teams back in the factory...
But no. Jenson Button f
ked his cars up... 
Mr_Thyroid said:
Please explain how Jenson ruins his car, and why the engineers allow him to do it.
Dun-dun-daaah! It's a theory which i choose to believe, because it's fun. Now that i see the F1 part of Pistonheads is made up of people who have no ability to think creatively, i'll know to keep my interesting ideas for further discussion away from your grey, dreary outlooks. Read my original passage again with your brains tuned to "reality" and point out where exactly i demonstrated my idea as anything other than my own opinion. Good luck.
I shall simplify it once more to give your massively technical and vein-bulgingly capable super-brains a chance to detune-themselves and comprehend a sentence on the most basic level:
It can't be just a coincidence that when a team creates a car that's a step backwards from the one that came before (in relative performance terms) Button happens to be one of the drivers.
Your opinion is very welcome and yes, it's good to discuss things. However, I for one would appreciate hypothesese presented as such, not rammed home as 'I know better than you' facts and some manners and diplomacy when handling criticism.
I feel this should especially apply when we're talking about a single person, who may just be reading this, rather than perhaps a team or company. I happen to think Jenson's an extremely good driver and from what I've heard a superb and well liked all round team member, but even if we disagree on that we can surely agree that he's a really nice guy and therefore some delicacy would be a good idea if and when applying any criticism, plus of course mindfulness of our own positions and knowledge with regard to Formula One!!!
I feel this should especially apply when we're talking about a single person, who may just be reading this, rather than perhaps a team or company. I happen to think Jenson's an extremely good driver and from what I've heard a superb and well liked all round team member, but even if we disagree on that we can surely agree that he's a really nice guy and therefore some delicacy would be a good idea if and when applying any criticism, plus of course mindfulness of our own positions and knowledge with regard to Formula One!!!
Button is the only driver to outscore all of his team mates over a season.
Interesting as he ended up beating Hamilton on points in the three years they had the same car.
He has outscored Alonso again.
I am certain that if you put Button or Alonso in the same car as Hamilton they will both end the season ahead of Hamilton. Button has managed to do this throughout his F1 stint.
Button is also accepted as the best ambasador for the sport and the best for the constructors/sponsors needs.
Even when stuck with a car that's consistantly 20-30mph slower than any other team on the grid in the last two years Button has probably been in the top 3 drivers again this year.
He is certainly admired as such by the F1 experts.
He is British and local so I might also be biased.
Interesting as he ended up beating Hamilton on points in the three years they had the same car.
He has outscored Alonso again.
I am certain that if you put Button or Alonso in the same car as Hamilton they will both end the season ahead of Hamilton. Button has managed to do this throughout his F1 stint.
Button is also accepted as the best ambasador for the sport and the best for the constructors/sponsors needs.
Even when stuck with a car that's consistantly 20-30mph slower than any other team on the grid in the last two years Button has probably been in the top 3 drivers again this year.
He is certainly admired as such by the F1 experts.
He is British and local so I might also be biased.
Sandford said:
Button is the only driver to outscore all of his team mates over a season.
Interesting as he ended up beating Hamilton on points in the three years they had the same car.
He has outscored Alonso again.
I am certain that if you put Button or Alonso in the same car as Hamilton they will both end the season ahead of Hamilton. Button has managed to do this throughout his F1 stint.
Button is also accepted as the best ambasador for the sport and the best for the constructors/sponsors needs.
Even when stuck with a car that's consistantly 20-30mph slower than any other team on the grid in the last two years Button has probably been in the top 3 drivers again this year.
He is certainly admired as such by the F1 experts.
He is British and local so I might also be biased.
Interesting as he ended up beating Hamilton on points in the three years they had the same car.
He has outscored Alonso again.
I am certain that if you put Button or Alonso in the same car as Hamilton they will both end the season ahead of Hamilton. Button has managed to do this throughout his F1 stint.
Button is also accepted as the best ambasador for the sport and the best for the constructors/sponsors needs.
Even when stuck with a car that's consistantly 20-30mph slower than any other team on the grid in the last two years Button has probably been in the top 3 drivers again this year.
He is certainly admired as such by the F1 experts.
He is British and local so I might also be biased.
Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff