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BaronVonVaderham said:
Z3MCJez said:
As to the comment on Jos being a thug. Perhaps someone can point me to some reference material. I've never found him to be too bad ...
Most recently: http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/07/28/jos-verstap......and from Wikipedia:
After a 1998 incident in a karting track, in which a man suffered a fractured skull, Verstappen and his father were found guilty in court of assault but were each sentenced to five-year suspended sentence after reaching an out-of-court settlement with the victim.[35]
On 29 November 2011, the media reported allegations that Verstappen had assaulted his ex-girlfriend; Verstappen claimed to only have had a discussion with her.[36] In January 2012, he was arrested on attempted murder charges following accusations that he drove a car into his ex-girlfriend in Roermond,[37] but released two weeks later, after the charge was withdrawn.[38]
Given Max was what, 3 in 2001 you can bet Jos has been giving him ammo. By all accounts he's not a nice guy, allegedly in some juniour race Max didn't do too well, so Jos promptly didn't speak to him for a week.
Anyway, the interesting thing about the pace of the Mercedes is that in Fp2 they were only 13th & 14th in the speed trap, some 9km/h down. Di Resta suggests that the car is making up the time in the chicanes.
I wonder how much sandbagging is going on in the Merc, Ferrari & RB garages.
suffolk009 said:
I read on twitter that Max is now picking a fight Villeneuve:
"Villeneuve should watch his language when he says that I might kill someone, 'cause he killed someone himself in Melbourne 2001" referring to the crash where debris from the car killed a marshall.
Damon Hill tweeted: "Oh dear. Getting very messy"
Poor kid's gone from being the second coming and someone talked about as a future multiple world-champion, to being the embarrassing teenage kid that someone has brought along to a grown-ups party - in the space of a couple of weeks.
If you are a grown-up you would have the maturity to react with a level of moderation to your ignorant post."Villeneuve should watch his language when he says that I might kill someone, 'cause he killed someone himself in Melbourne 2001" referring to the crash where debris from the car killed a marshall.
Damon Hill tweeted: "Oh dear. Getting very messy"
Poor kid's gone from being the second coming and someone talked about as a future multiple world-champion, to being the embarrassing teenage kid that someone has brought along to a grown-ups party - in the space of a couple of weeks.
Villeneuve has been criticising Verstappen even before he got into F1, and ever since (too young this, too young that, bla,bla,bla). Meanwhile Verstappen proved to be more than worthy of being an F1 driver, at a top team even, at the age of 17/18. Making Villeneuve openly look a bit stupid.
This is certainly NOT a good reaction by Verstappen and not well managed by his team. But I think two years of stupid comments from Villeneuve, piling on, latest saying he might get someone killed, he finally seems to have received a reaction from Verstappen.
Well done. Villeneuve himself by the way wasn't exactly the most fair driver in F1 history. Not that Villeneuve seems to remember.
Edited by DeltonaS on Friday 2nd September 20:19
Crafty_ said:
Given Max was what, 3 in 2001 you can bet Jos has been giving him ammo. By all accounts he's not a nice guy, allegedly in some juniour race Max didn't do too well, so Jos promptly didn't speak to him for a week.
Anyway, the interesting thing about the pace of the Mercedes is that in Fp2 they were only 13th & 14th in the speed trap, some 9km/h down. Di Resta suggests that the car is making up the time in the chicanes.
I wonder how much sandbagging is going on in the Merc, Ferrari & RB garages.
It is odd, isn't it. They have to run at race pace for data so I assume they fool no one as far as that's concerned. The only unknown is the qually time and that can't be of much interest to anyone but the other Mercedes driver. So I doubt sandbagging works. Anyway, the interesting thing about the pace of the Mercedes is that in Fp2 they were only 13th & 14th in the speed trap, some 9km/h down. Di Resta suggests that the car is making up the time in the chicanes.
I wonder how much sandbagging is going on in the Merc, Ferrari & RB garages.
But then it must as they seem to do it.
Confused of Tonbridge Wells.
TheInternet said:
Sir Bagalot said:
Is that just simply Hearsay? Or have you a direct quote?
"Hij moet een beetje opletten met zijn uitspraken dat er iemand doodgaat, want hij heeft zelf iemand doodgereden. Hij moet naar zichzelf kijken. Ik vind wat hij zegt niet respectvol naar de familie van de overleden marshall", verwees Verstappen naar de crash van de Canadees in 2001 in Melbourne, waarbij een marshall achter de hekken omkwam nadat hij door brokstukken van Villeneuve's bolide was geraakt.http://nos.nl/artikel/2129451-botsing-tussen-verst...
A real shame young Max has sunk that low.
TheInternet said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
Z3MCJez said:
As to the comment on Jos being a thug. Perhaps someone can point me to some reference material. I've never found him to be too bad ...
Most recently: http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/07/28/jos-verstap......and from Wikipedia:
After a 1998 incident in a karting track, in which a man suffered a fractured skull, Verstappen and his father were found guilty in court of assault but were each sentenced to five-year suspended sentence after reaching an out-of-court settlement with the victim.[35]
On 29 November 2011, the media reported allegations that Verstappen had assaulted his ex-girlfriend; Verstappen claimed to only have had a discussion with her.[36] In January 2012, he was arrested on attempted murder charges following accusations that he drove a car into his ex-girlfriend in Roermond,[37] but released two weeks later, after the charge was withdrawn.[38]
I've gone from being disappointed by Max to feeling quite sorry for him (doesn't mean he can be allowed to carry on with the poor driving)
numtumfutunch said:
I'm amazed any F1 team let a driver run his own social media, especially one as young as MV
This. I don't have Facebook or Twitter so I don't exactly know how they work. I would have thought this would be managed by the team though. I'm guessing, but I'd think he'll be getting better managed in the future. Hungrymc said:
Very hard to grow up as a balanced adult when that has been your background. Not impossible, but very difficult.
I've gone from being disappointed by Max to feeling quite sorry for him (doesn't mean he can be allowed to carry on with the poor driving)
My thoughts exactly. With a bloodline and family history like his he is heading for trouble - and we have seen the first signs.I've gone from being disappointed by Max to feeling quite sorry for him (doesn't mean he can be allowed to carry on with the poor driving)
EagleMoto4-2 said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
Rude-boy said:
Derek Smith said:
suffolk009 said:
I read on twitter that Max is now picking a fight Villeneuve:
"Villeneuve should watch his language when he says that I might kill someone, 'cause he killed someone himself in Melbourne 2001" referring to the crash where debris from the car killed a marshall.
It will be some time before that nasty dig is forgotten. He's a young kid but even so. "Villeneuve should watch his language when he says that I might kill someone, 'cause he killed someone himself in Melbourne 2001" referring to the crash where debris from the car killed a marshall.
Max needs to get a check on this sort of thing right now or else it will damage him big time, regardless of how good he is in a car without anyone trying to overtake him.
Maturity and not just ability should be judged.
Vertw@tten would be better off making his mistakes with his peers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4qEdi0doGs
Thing is, I'm fairly sure his thug of a father will be encouraging this current behaviour.
A better retort from him would have been to remind Villenueve how much he enjoyed crashing and how dangerous that was.
Plus Jacque tweeted this after he'd been to see Charlie who had a chat with him on what is & is not acceptable in Charlie's eyes, which to my mind is a much more sensible approach because now Max is aware that he's been watched & will also be aware that when he's defending he'll have to make his move early.
Has Max come close to killing anyone? (To my mind Kvyat has come the closest this season)
Has Max caused a major wreck?
It's racing there will be borderline moves from time to time but it wouldn't be racing if there wasn't but you get to the next track reset (with more clarification of what's acceptable) & go again, even Di Resta had to say to Crofty "we've spoken about Max enough today" so let's in the words of Frozen LET IT GO & judge him on this race.
Or would you rather see no overtaking/defending
direct translation off google ..
" He should watch a little with his statements that someone dies, because he himself has killed someone. He has to look at himself . I think what he says is not respectful to the family of the deceased marshal ," Verstappen was referring to the crash of the Canadian in Melbourne in 2001 , where a marshal behind the fences was killed after he was hit by debris from Villeneuve 's car.
gives it a SLIGHTLY different tone.
" He should watch a little with his statements that someone dies, because he himself has killed someone. He has to look at himself . I think what he says is not respectful to the family of the deceased marshal ," Verstappen was referring to the crash of the Canadian in Melbourne in 2001 , where a marshal behind the fences was killed after he was hit by debris from Villeneuve 's car.
gives it a SLIGHTLY different tone.
ZX10R NIN said:
Okay it's poor form from Max but it's poor form/sensationalism from Jacque (which is to be expected now he's a journalist) that comment would get on my nerves & I'm not 18 so while I'd be a bit more tactful in my response I would respond.
Plus Jacque tweeted this after he'd been to see Charlie who had a chat with him on what is & is not acceptable in Charlie's eyes, which to my mind is a much more sensible approach because now Max is aware that he's been watched & will also be aware that when he's defending he'll have to make his move early.
Has Max come close to killing anyone? (To my mind Kvyat has come the closest this season)
Has Max caused a major wreck?
It's racing there will be borderline moves from time to time but it wouldn't be racing if there wasn't but you get to the next track reset (with more clarification of what's acceptable) & go again, even Di Resta had to say to Crofty "we've spoken about Max enough today" so let's in the words of Frozen LET IT GO & judge him on this race.
Or would you rather see no overtaking/defending
I would rather not see the death of a marshall being used to make a point. It was meant to be vicious, and it was. My first thought was that JV's comment was because of his experiences. I would imagine that the death does not sit easy with him.Plus Jacque tweeted this after he'd been to see Charlie who had a chat with him on what is & is not acceptable in Charlie's eyes, which to my mind is a much more sensible approach because now Max is aware that he's been watched & will also be aware that when he's defending he'll have to make his move early.
Has Max come close to killing anyone? (To my mind Kvyat has come the closest this season)
Has Max caused a major wreck?
It's racing there will be borderline moves from time to time but it wouldn't be racing if there wasn't but you get to the next track reset (with more clarification of what's acceptable) & go again, even Di Resta had to say to Crofty "we've spoken about Max enough today" so let's in the words of Frozen LET IT GO & judge him on this race.
Or would you rather see no overtaking/defending
I'm in Italy, Amalfi. The locals are hoping for Ferraris to be on the second row. Not a lot of confidence in that though. There's admiration for the Mercedes, at least for Hamilton. I've not heard Rosberg mentioned. And according to them, the first corner accident was down to Max. No mention of his comments and I didn't bring it up.
Expectations are low.
Expectations are low.
Derek Smith said:
I would rather not see the death of a marshall being used to make a point. It was meant to be vicious, and it was. My first thought was that JV's comment was because of his experiences. I would imagine that the death does not sit easy with him.
Yes it was a backlash at Jacque but if you prod someone enough you'll get a reaction & after two years of it he got a reaction, maybe Jacque will think about what he's saying because it was sensationalist.Pirelli have dropped pressures slightly after Fp1 & 2 http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pirelli-reduces-...
Crafty_ said:
Pirelli have dropped pressures slightly after Fp1 & 2 http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pirelli-reduces-...
This will help the Mercedes?Personally there is only one way to deal with someone who will put their car up the inside like he does and that's for someone to teach him a lesson and not move out of the way. In the old days it would have been done already.
It will happen sooner or later. The team wont take it, esp if the damage is bad and there are a lot of points on the table.
I am all for being firm when racing but personally I think he is bordering on being unfair. And you have to race fair and square IMHO no matter how far up or down the ladder you are.
It will happen sooner or later. The team wont take it, esp if the damage is bad and there are a lot of points on the table.
I am all for being firm when racing but personally I think he is bordering on being unfair. And you have to race fair and square IMHO no matter how far up or down the ladder you are.
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