Discussion
paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
Agree.
Monaco rewards those rare creatures that can dance on the edge for 100% of each lap.
Realistically, you can drive around at way off 100% pace and nobody can pass. 1992 was a great example. Senna was probably 4 seconds per lap off the pace and Mansell had no way past him without taking them both off. Nigel knew it, Ayton knew it. Monaco rewards those rare creatures that can dance on the edge for 100% of each lap.
And didn't Ricciardo win there once with his entire hybrid system on the blink?
Monaco provides the most acute jeopardy in F1.
Monaco is a competition to see who can race for an hour on a Saturday and 2 hours on a Sunday without making a single mistake.
I wouldn't tune into a race like that every week but it's great for a one off.
What separated Senna from other drivers around Monaco is that he could regularly operate within 99.99% of the limit, whereas the best around him could only do 99.9%.
I wouldn't tune into a race like that every week but it's great for a one off.
What separated Senna from other drivers around Monaco is that he could regularly operate within 99.99% of the limit, whereas the best around him could only do 99.9%.
DaveTheRave87 said:
Monaco is a competition to see who can race for an hour on a Saturday and 2 hours on a Sunday without making a single mistake.
I wouldn't tune into a race like that every week but it's great for a one off.
What separated Senna from other drivers around Monaco is that he could regularly operate within 99.99% of the limit, whereas the best around him could only do 99.9%.
Quaili is a test. On race day it still requires concentration and accuracy, but as they are several seconds per lap off their quali pace it is effectively a parade. I wouldn't tune into a race like that every week but it's great for a one off.
What separated Senna from other drivers around Monaco is that he could regularly operate within 99.99% of the limit, whereas the best around him could only do 99.9%.
Ricciardo won the race with an MGU-K failure, giving him 25% less horsepower than usual, and with only six out of eight gears functioning.
paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
Agree.
Monaco rewards those rare creatures that can dance on the edge for 100% of each lap.
Realistically, you can drive around at way off 100% pace and nobody can pass. 1992 was a great example. Senna was probably 4 seconds per lap off the pace and Mansell had no way past him without taking them both off. Nigel knew it, Ayton knew it. Monaco rewards those rare creatures that can dance on the edge for 100% of each lap.
And didn't Ricciardo win there once with his entire hybrid system on the blink?
Panamax]arlo996]What is strange is not having the basic humility to appreciate that..../quote said:
"basic humility"??
Senna was undoubtedly a superstar of F1 back in the day. One of very few drivers who could add speed to a car. Unfortunately that's IMO exactly what killed him - trying to beat Schumacher in a car that wasn't as good as Schumacher's.
I think it was Alain Prost who said something along the lines that if other drivers drove as aggressively as Ayrton Senna then every race would end in a crash.
A faulty repair caused his accident, and the freak/unlucky trajectory of the suspension arm killed himSenna was undoubtedly a superstar of F1 back in the day. One of very few drivers who could add speed to a car. Unfortunately that's IMO exactly what killed him - trying to beat Schumacher in a car that wasn't as good as Schumacher's.
I think it was Alain Prost who said something along the lines that if other drivers drove as aggressively as Ayrton Senna then every race would end in a crash.
Nothing to do with him or who he was trying to beat
Sandpit Steve said:
Forester1965 said:
And Oliver Panis. Don't forget Oliver Panis.
1996, the race that seemingly no-one wanted to win. Half a dozen cars held the effective lead in the last three laps in a rain-affected race, as various accidents and fuel errors meant a whole load of late retirements. Sandpit Steve said:
Forester1965 said:
And Oliver Panis. Don't forget Oliver Panis.
1996, the race that seemingly no-one wanted to win. Half a dozen cars held the effective lead in the last three laps in a rain-affected race, as various accidents and fuel errors meant a whole load of late retirements. Panis' win was a combination of needing to refuel at the perfect moment to switch to dry tyres and his pace after the stop. Coulthard stayed out a few laps too long hoping to be able to make it to the end after his stop but McLaren didn't calculate that the race would hit the 2hr mark a few laps early which put him behind Panis.
Sandpit Steve said:
Yup, a good driver, knowing he has an issue, can place his car to make it impossible to pass anywhere, Senna and Ricciardo both did an amazing job of making their cars as wide as possible, and being very slow in the corners before the straights, to give the guy behind no chance.
The PU era has F1 cars too large for Monaco. Tackling Loews hairpin is comical these days, it's like watching a limousine trying to do the same thing.generationx said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Forester1965 said:
And Oliver Panis. Don't forget Oliver Panis.
1996, the race that seemingly no-one wanted to win. Half a dozen cars held the effective lead in the last three laps in a rain-affected race, as various accidents and fuel errors meant a whole load of late retirements. entropy said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Yup, a good driver, knowing he has an issue, can place his car to make it impossible to pass anywhere, Senna and Ricciardo both did an amazing job of making their cars as wide as possible, and being very slow in the corners before the straights, to give the guy behind no chance.
The PU era has F1 cars too large for Monaco. Tackling Loews hairpin is comical these days, it's like watching a limousine trying to do the same thing.Siao said:
entropy said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Yup, a good driver, knowing he has an issue, can place his car to make it impossible to pass anywhere, Senna and Ricciardo both did an amazing job of making their cars as wide as possible, and being very slow in the corners before the straights, to give the guy behind no chance.
The PU era has F1 cars too large for Monaco. Tackling Loews hairpin is comical these days, it's like watching a limousine trying to do the same thing.
Imo I think it is the sheer level of respect from all who knew him be it team principal to janitor.
I went to the Williams factory weeks after the accident, the way the security guard talked about his friend, how sad he was about the accident, how he told my parents that Senna would of taken me off and showed me the factory for hours.
For me this is the reason for the “love in”. Because so many people did love him, this then comes across in the media and influences those that didn’t know him.
It was enough to change me who was a young teenager at the time from a hardened Mansell fan who couldn’t stand Senna, to a Mansell fan who learned more about Senna and very quickly became a huge fan.
I went to the Williams factory weeks after the accident, the way the security guard talked about his friend, how sad he was about the accident, how he told my parents that Senna would of taken me off and showed me the factory for hours.
For me this is the reason for the “love in”. Because so many people did love him, this then comes across in the media and influences those that didn’t know him.
It was enough to change me who was a young teenager at the time from a hardened Mansell fan who couldn’t stand Senna, to a Mansell fan who learned more about Senna and very quickly became a huge fan.
stinkyspanner said:
Is it just me or is anyone else finding the whole Senna hysteria a bit OTT? I'm not being dismissive, and I remember quite clearly watching it unfold and thinking that he was probably dying before our eyes but I just can't help thinking this is just all a bit much.
It's almost like a competition of who can be the saddest about his death (and the odd token mention of Ratzenberger)
'I was really sad when Senna died'
'Not as sad as me, I was REALLY sad'
'Yeah and now it's 30 years and I'm even more really sad, are you?' Etc etc
I have to agree. He was a dirty driver who thought it was ok to drive others off the track to win. After he admitted to taking Prost out he should’ve been kicked out of F1 and stripped of his titles. Someone blessed with his talent didn’t have to resort to the tactics he did to win. A thoroughly disgraceful driver. It's almost like a competition of who can be the saddest about his death (and the odd token mention of Ratzenberger)
'I was really sad when Senna died'
'Not as sad as me, I was REALLY sad'
'Yeah and now it's 30 years and I'm even more really sad, are you?' Etc etc
Smollet said:
I have to agree. He was a dirty driver who thought it was ok to drive others off the track to win. After he admitted to taking Prost out he should’ve been kicked out of F1 and stripped of his titles. Someone blessed with his talent didn’t have to resort to the tactics he did to win. A thoroughly disgraceful driver.
Mmm, you'd kicking a few others out too though. Prost took Senna out in 1989. Schumacher did it on what seemed like a regular basis. There are others, more recently, too...paulguitar said:
Smollet said:
I have to agree. He was a dirty driver who thought it was ok to drive others off the track to win. After he admitted to taking Prost out he should’ve been kicked out of F1 and stripped of his titles. Someone blessed with his talent didn’t have to resort to the tactics he did to win. A thoroughly disgraceful driver.
Mmm, you'd kicking a few others out too though. Prost took Senna out in 1989. Schumacher did it on what seemed like a regular basis. There are others, more recently, too...Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff