Official 2022 Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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matrignano said:
Am I the only one thinking DeVries didn’t exactly shine today?
He didn’t manage a single overtake the whole day, he was behind Gasly within DRS range for a lot of the race and the Williams had the highest top speed on the grid, I would have expected at least one attempt at an overtake!
His excellent qualifying plus the penalties meant that DeVries was starting from a much higher position than expected, so I'm not clear who he was supposed overtake, he was lined up alongside Max, remember.He didn’t manage a single overtake the whole day, he was behind Gasly within DRS range for a lot of the race and the Williams had the highest top speed on the grid, I would have expected at least one attempt at an overtake!
Didn't he repass Zhou during the race?
heebeegeetee said:
His excellent qualifying plus the penalties meant that DeVries was starting from a much higher position than expected, so I'm not clear who he was supposed overtake, he was lined up alongside Max, remember.
Didn't he repass Zhou during the race?
He did a fantastic job to jump in that car with this result ( race and qualy). Where was his team mate?Didn't he repass Zhou during the race?
LHs interview raised a smile when he talked about the wheel thing flapping around but he wasn't sure what it did.
He clearly resisted the temptation to point out the SC end was a shame but at least they followed the rules.
It was a pity it finished under SC but hardly the end of the world - it was pretty clear MV was fastest and had deserved to win the race. It would have been a bit unfair (as it sometimes is) for a SC (and associated fumbling) to change the fundamental outcome. A bit feeble to see what must be RB sponsored C4 moaning on about how bad it was - in some sort of lame hindsight "AD21 was the right thing to do really" story. It wasn't and never will be. Let it go, it has an asterix, get over it!
Is it clear why the unlap message was confused? Not just the AT that got it wrong of course.
He clearly resisted the temptation to point out the SC end was a shame but at least they followed the rules.
It was a pity it finished under SC but hardly the end of the world - it was pretty clear MV was fastest and had deserved to win the race. It would have been a bit unfair (as it sometimes is) for a SC (and associated fumbling) to change the fundamental outcome. A bit feeble to see what must be RB sponsored C4 moaning on about how bad it was - in some sort of lame hindsight "AD21 was the right thing to do really" story. It wasn't and never will be. Let it go, it has an asterix, get over it!
Is it clear why the unlap message was confused? Not just the AT that got it wrong of course.
ch37 said:
visitinglondon said:
They need to get rid of Albon as well as Latifi
Based on what? Albon and De Vries would be a very, very solid line up for a team at the back hoping to press forward next season.On the danger of tractor on track etc
https://youtu.be/JAcm8Y9TEnw?t=62 has the clip - one bombs around corner a bit quick, another changes line. Tractor in different place as reversing as it was the lap before.
Minor yes, but just not nice to see IMHO, and not needed.
https://youtu.be/JAcm8Y9TEnw?t=62 has the clip - one bombs around corner a bit quick, another changes line. Tractor in different place as reversing as it was the lap before.
Minor yes, but just not nice to see IMHO, and not needed.
TDK-C60 said:
It wasn't and never will be. Let it go, it has an asterix, get over it!
LOLOLOLOL if you don’t understand the rules, don’t play the game. All you need to do is listen to Alonso’s radio from AD 21. Reality distortion syndrome is a real thing. Many people use it when someone attacks their safe place.
Better start working on the narrative why Russel is beating Hamilton (just like Button and Rosberg did; really, beaten over a season 3 times?!?).
paulw123 said:
Could the car have been moved quicker to allow a last lap race? Possibly. Was it unfortunate the race finished u set the safety car. Maybe. Was anything really going to change without a SC. Doubtful.
AD21 was probably the biggest sporting farce in memory, today was just following the rule book. So the last few laps were under the SC. Boo hoo. No drivers in the top few were going to chance positions anyway.
Talk from the commentators about calling a red flag even though there was no barrier damage or mass debris in the track with a standing start just seem ludicrous.
Horner trying hard to pretend he really wanted a last lap Sprint finish when his driver had nothing to gain and everything to lose was also rather iffy!
If there really is a massive stigma against finishing under a safety car maybe any safety car in the last five laps of the race should have a red flag thrown everyone in the pits and then when the track is clear there is a safety car restart
I don't agree that today's debacle was "just following the rule book", it was worse than that.AD21 was probably the biggest sporting farce in memory, today was just following the rule book. So the last few laps were under the SC. Boo hoo. No drivers in the top few were going to chance positions anyway.
Talk from the commentators about calling a red flag even though there was no barrier damage or mass debris in the track with a standing start just seem ludicrous.
Horner trying hard to pretend he really wanted a last lap Sprint finish when his driver had nothing to gain and everything to lose was also rather iffy!
If there really is a massive stigma against finishing under a safety car maybe any safety car in the last five laps of the race should have a red flag thrown everyone in the pits and then when the track is clear there is a safety car restart
It's 2022 and F1 has been running for over 70 years, are we seriously saying a stricken car can't be moved quicker than that?
There appeared to be an issue over the safety car picking up the race leader, and there seemed to be a communications issue with lapped cars. (I haven't followed the whole thread so please forgive if I've not seen a reason for any of the above).
With AD in mind, maybe it's time to scrap the rules over lapped cars retaking position, or maybe this could be done if there is an SC within the last 10 laps.
And maybe a fork truck can pick a car up from a straight lift underneath rather than fannying around with cars precariously dangling from a strap and taking forever to move.
mersontheperson said:
F1 coverage on channel 4 had the feed where the muted the boos of the tifosi, do they do that at other races?
That's what I thought, watching on C4 it was clear the boos were 'switched off.'I've certainly not noticed that before, was it on the live feeds too?
The boos were against the race organisers as far as I'm concerned, though perhaps there was a heartfelt suspicion that Red Bull seem to be the beneficiary of whichever way the organisers want to play a late safety car.
I 8 a 4RE said:
LOLOLOLOL if you don’t understand the rules, don’t play the game. All you need to do is listen to Alonso’s radio from AD 21.
Reality distortion syndrome is a real thing. Many people use it when someone attacks their safe place.
Better start working on the narrative why Russel is beating Hamilton (just like Button and Rosberg did; really, beaten over a season 3 times?!?).
Or you could listen to the other drivers messages at AD, Ricciardo's for instance. Reality distortion syndrome is a real thing. Many people use it when someone attacks their safe place.
Better start working on the narrative why Russel is beating Hamilton (just like Button and Rosberg did; really, beaten over a season 3 times?!?).
If you want to listen to Fernando though, yes there's a lot of comments aimed in Lewis's direction, stretching back over the years.
Regarding a 'narrative', LH has had a number of very good team mates, from his first race in F1 all the way to today. Those team mates have 4 wdcs between them and I think George will add to that figure in the future.
I 8 a 4RE said:
Yes.
Are you saying you do not understand the meaning of the word ‘any’?
Well it's not just him, or me, but also a huge number of people in the Paddock, Inc the FIA and indeed Masi, otherwise his defence would be immediate and straightforward and his position wouldn't have been questioned for a minute.Are you saying you do not understand the meaning of the word ‘any’?
Indeed there wouldn't have been any controversy or conversation at all at AD and it wouldn't have been mentioned today in the slightest, if you are right.
I 8 a 4RE said:
Yes.
Are you saying you do not understand the meaning of the word ‘any’?
Just out of interest I just decided to take a look at the Wikipedia entry on this topic and I can't see the use of the word "any"Are you saying you do not understand the meaning of the word ‘any’?
>>The season ended with a controversial finish, with the two title rivals for the drivers' crown entering the last race of the season with equal points. Verstappen sealed the title after winning the season-ending Abu Dhabi Grand Prix after a last-lap restart pass on Hamilton following a contentious conclusion of a safety car period. Mercedes initially protested the results, and later decided not to appeal after their protest was denied. The incident led to key structural changes to race control, including the removal of Michael Masi from his role as race director and the implementation of a virtual race control room, who assist the race director. Unlapping procedures behind the safety car were to be reassessed and presented by the F1 Sporting Advisory Committee prior to the start of the 2022 World Championship season. On 10 March 2022 the FIA World Motor Sport Council report on the events of the final race of the season was announced, and that the "Race Director called the safety car back into the pit lane without it having completed an additional lap as required by the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations", however also noted that the "results of the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix and the FIA Formula One World Championship are valid, final and cannot now be changed".<<
In light of Masi's comments the previous season, I for one think that either none or all lapped cars should unlap themselves, as has always happened previously afaiaa.
Also, speaking just for myself, I don't have a problem with a race (or indeed a season) ending under a safety car, because that's motor racing, that's the nature of the beast.
What I do have a problem with is the f
king around. It took the safety car 4 laps to pick the race leader up, which is ridiculous. It appears part of the delay was caused when the safety car crew failed to show George Russell a green light indicating he can overtake.All of this has happened far too soon after AD, so something has got to change.
I don't think the red flag should be used just because a car is stuck on the side of the tra ck but I do think the red flag should be used because the FIA has now proved conclusively that they cannot deal with these situations, so I think any full safety car decision inside the final 10 laps of a race should result in the red flag coming out.
Were this the norm then neither today or AD would have occurred. It also allows track marshals to work in greater safety, and it gives them a clear track on which to work which almost certainly would get the race underway more quickly.
heebeegeetee said:
mersontheperson said:
F1 coverage on channel 4 had the feed where the muted the boos of the tifosi, do they do that at other races?
That's what I thought, watching on C4 it was clear the boos were 'switched off.'I've certainly not noticed that before, was it on the live feeds too?
The boos were against the race organisers as far as I'm concerned, though perhaps there was a heartfelt suspicion that Red Bull seem to be the beneficiary of whichever way the organisers want to play a late safety car.
I’d feel sorry for him if his fans weren’t just as bad.
All a bit of a pantomime really.
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