Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[carlo996]

paulguitar said:

Your obsession is far more remarkable, but here ya go:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7ymG_B29e4s


https://www.planetf1.com/news/lando-norris-regret-...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/lewis-ham...

https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1briefings/ne...

Let’s talk about the inconvenient truths

[Fast and Spurious]

paulguitar said:

Your obsession is far more remarkable, but here ya go:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7ymG_B29e4s


https://www.planetf1.com/news/lando-norris-regret-...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/lewis-ham...

https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1briefings/ne...

Lando having a laugh and????

[carlo996]

Fast and Spurious said:

Lando having a laugh and????

It’s a bit weird Paul’s thing with Lewis.

[paulguitar]

carlo996 said:

paulguitar said:

Your obsession is far more remarkable, but here ya go:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7ymG_B29e4s


https://www.planetf1.com/news/lando-norris-regret-...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/lewis-ham...

https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1briefings/ne...

Let’s talk about the inconvenient truths

Are you having trouble following what's being discussed?

[Purosangue]

paulguitar said:

carlo996 said:

paulguitar said:

It is true. Most memorably Lando Norris, but several others, as well.

Can you show anywhere in print that showw Hamilton is 8* WDC

It’s remarkable how obsessed you are with this, and him.

Your obsession is far more remarkable, but here ya go:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7ymG_B29e4s


https://www.planetf1.com/news/lando-norris-regret-...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/lewis-ham...

https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1briefings/ne...

Lando's got his own problems with out worrying about Lewis

https://youtube.com/shorts/g-6zvljPEjc?si=_b1vWPOE...

[paulguitar]

Fast and Spurious said:

paulguitar said:

Your obsession is far more remarkable, but here ya go:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7ymG_B29e4s


https://www.planetf1.com/news/lando-norris-regret-...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/lewis-ham...

https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1briefings/ne...

Lando having a laugh and????

I responded with the evidence that the troll had asked for.

[Purosangue]

paulguitar said:

carlo996 said:

Fast and Spurious said:

Lando having a laugh and????

It’s a bit weird Paul’s thing with Lewis.

Whatever you've got going on is in a whole different stratosphere to my opinion he's overall the best driver I have seen in my 40 years of watching and attending F1 races. That's hardly a particularly controversial view.

he's in the top 10 off all time for sure


From the 80s era to present day

notable drivers

Nikki Lauda
Nigel Mansell
Alain Prost
Ayrton Senna
Michael Schumacher
Sebastian Vettel
Lewis Hamilton
Max Verstappen

For me watching Ayrton in the rain at Donnington takes some beating but for diversity its hard to argue against Jim Clark who could jump between formulas on same weekend , cross the pond and the different types of cars he could adapt to was extraordinary

one thing for sure next year I expect Lewis to blow Charles into the weeds

[White-Noise]

carlo996 said:

Fast and Spurious said:

Lando having a laugh and????

It’s a bit weird Paul’s thing with Lewis.

Come on... you've got a thing for Paul. Everyone can see it

[paulguitar]

Purosangue said:

he's in the top 10 off all time for sure


From the 80s era to present day

notable drivers

Nikki Lauda
Nigel Mansell
Alain Prost
Ayrton Senna
Michael Schumacher
Sebastian Vettel
Lewis Hamilton
Max Verstappen

For me watching Ayrton in the rain at Donnington takes some beating but for diversity its hard to argue against Jim Clark who could jump between formulas on same weekend , cross the pond and the different types of cars he could adapt to was extraordinary

one thing for sure next year I expect Lewis to blow Charles into the weeds

I was at Donington in 1993. It was an astonishing drive. I still rate Senna as the most purely 'talented' driver I have ever seen. For me, though, his willingness to go over the line (same with MS) on track, diminishes his legacy.

Jim Clark, along with Fangio, completes my own personal top three of all time. (with Hamilton as the other). Clark and Fangio were before my time, but are complete gods, in my view.

Verstappen has immense talent, but at present only has to beat Perez, and has shown himself in the past to be rather error-prone under pressure. So he's not (as yet) up there with the all-time greats. (To me. others have different views and that's fine) He'll continue to win every race until something changes, and he's doing a great job. But it's a bit hollow.

Prost was another almighty talent. So smooth, and yet properly quick.

Not sure about Lewis VS Charles next season. I think CLC is probably the fastest driver over one lap in F1 over the last few seasons. I think (40 year old) Lewis might struggle to beat him on Saturdays. I do think though, that if the Ferrari is competitive, Lewis will beat Charles over the season on points.


Anyway, great to get back to having a bit of adult discussion.

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

Carlo996s obsession with Hamilton really is quite disturbing. Did he run over your dog or something?

[paua]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Carlo996s obsession with Hamilton really is quite disturbing. Did he run over your dog or something?

Or sold him a dodgy old 911 with a chocolate engine?

[Purosangue]

paulguitar said:

Purosangue said:

he's in the top 10 off all time for sure


From the 80s era to present day

notable drivers

Nikki Lauda
Nigel Mansell
Alain Prost
Ayrton Senna
Michael Schumacher
Sebastian Vettel
Lewis Hamilton
Max Verstappen

For me watching Ayrton in the rain at Donnington takes some beating but for diversity its hard to argue against Jim Clark who could jump between formulas on same weekend , cross the pond and the different types of cars he could adapt to was extraordinary

one thing for sure next year I expect Lewis to blow Charles into the weeds

I was at Donington in 1993. It was an astonishing drive. I still rate Senna as the most purely 'talented' driver I have ever seen. For me, though, his willingness to go over the line (same with MS) on track, diminishes his legacy.

Jim Clark, along with Fangio, completes my own personal top three of all time. (with Hamilton as the other). Clark and Fangio were before my time, but are complete gods, in my view.

Verstappen has immense talent, but at present only has to beat Perez, and has shown himself in the past to be rather error-prone under pressure. So he's not (as yet) up there with the all-time greats. (To me. others have different views and that's fine) He'll continue to win every race until something changes, and he's doing a great job. But it's a bit hollow.

Prost was another almighty talent. So smooth, and yet properly quick.

Not sure about Lewis VS Charles next season. I think CLC is probably the fastest driver over one lap in F1 over the last few seasons. I think (40 year old) Lewis might struggle to beat him on Saturdays. I do think though, that if the Ferrari is competitive, Lewis will beat Charles over the season on points.


Anyway, great to get back to having a bit of adult discussion.

I would really like to see Lewis , Max and Fernando , in the same team drive the Ferrari at Le Mans , that would be an epic line up of drivers

[HighwayStar]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Carlo996s obsession with Hamilton really is quite disturbing. Did he run over your dog or something?

He just loves throwing stuff in there, feeds off anyone he gets on the hook. It’s sport to him and so far he’s winning.
He hated Mercedes/Lewis dominance but is fine with RB’s.
He’ll be back later for more of the same or the next race or any chance he sees to lob in another provocative post.

[carlo996]

White-Noise said:

Come on... you've got a thing for Paul. Everyone can see it

Yes, his lazy commentary about Hamilton is always amusing

[maz8062]

I’ve watched a lot of the greats over the years including Senna, Prost, Mansell, Piquet etc. Senna was a great driver but I didn’t rate him as highly as the world has done posthumously. Prost was on his level as was MS, Piquet, Mansell (on his day) and even Mika. He was a great driver but those were the days where drivers could bully the grid, the FIA, the media. You can’t do that sort of stuff today.

LH, especially after his rookie year, the gamble he made jumping to Merc and the fact that he goes about his business without any help from the sport, airs or graces, tops all of the drivers I’ve watched and the stats back it up.

MV will probably win a lot in the sport but he missed a trick in AD21 in my view. Can you imagine if he deliberately followed LH home allowing him to claim the WDC, acknowledging that it was a farce and didn’t want to be part of it? He’d still be winning today but his status in this here sport would be elevated to the stratosphere. He didn’t and so some still hold that against him even though not his fault as a competitor.

[paulguitar]

carlo996 said:

White-Noise said:

Come on... you've got a thing for Paul. Everyone can see it

Yes, his lazy commentary about Hamilton is always amusing

When you've been asked to explain specifically what you disagree with and why, you've been repeatedly unable or unwilling to do so. Your contribution to the F1 threads seems to be primarily the 'rolling on the floor laughing' emoji.


As you can see, some excellent discussion occurs here amongst people who have watched and attended F1 races for decades. If and when you feel able join in with that, you'd be very welcome to do so.

[White-Noise]

carlo996 said:

White-Noise said:

Come on... you've got a thing for Paul. Everyone can see it

Yes, his lazy commentary about Hamilton is always amusing

It's not lazy though is it. Your rofl to try and antagonise is.

[carlo996]

paulguitar said:

When you've been asked to explain specifically what you disagree with and why, you've been repeatedly unable or unwilling to do so. Your contribution to the F1 threads seems to be primarily the 'rolling on the floor laughing' emoji.


As you can see, some excellent discussion occurs here amongst people who have watched and attended F1 races for decades. If and when you feel able join in with that, you'd be very welcome to do so.

I disagree with your statement saying many believe he is 8* WDC, and it’s blatantly obvious that he isn’t. Not sure what you’re thinking really? I’ve watched Hamilton since he entered F1 thanks, it’s quite sad to see where he is now , but everyone has their time in the sunshine.

[White-Noise]

paulguitar said:

I was at Donington in 1993. It was an astonishing drive. I still rate Senna as the most purely 'talented' driver I have ever seen. For me, though, his willingness to go over the line (same with MS) on track, diminishes his legacy.

Jim Clark, along with Fangio, completes my own personal top three of all time. (with Hamilton as the other). Clark and Fangio were before my time, but are complete gods, in my view.

Verstappen has immense talent, but at present only has to beat Perez, and has shown himself in the past to be rather error-prone under pressure. So he's not (as yet) up there with the all-time greats. (To me. others have different views and that's fine) He'll continue to win every race until something changes, and he's doing a great job. But it's a bit hollow.

Prost was another almighty talent. So smooth, and yet properly quick.

Not sure about Lewis VS Charles next season. I think CLC is probably the fastest driver over one lap in F1 over the last few seasons. I think (40 year old) Lewis might struggle to beat him on Saturdays. I do think though, that if the Ferrari is competitive, Lewis will beat Charles over the season on points.


Anyway, great to get back to having a bit of adult discussion.

Lots of folks put Clark at the top. I know a little about him but given he was before most of our time and coverage and info was like the modern era, how do we see enough of what he did to know he was that good? I'm not saying I disagree, it just seems more difficult to really know... if you see what I mean?

For me, to get into that upper tier of drivers, they really need to be in a team against another top driver to prove their salt. Else its hard to get a feel of where they are truly at. Lewis did that from day 1 but it will be very interesting to see how he fares against Charles. Charles to me has this talent and potential in him but it seems to come and go, and consistently performing is so key.

Growing up I only wanted to see Mansell win and that was that and I'm normally one to want to see my countryman do well. Without a Brit in it I lose some of the interest. As I got older though I appreciated Prost and Senna and that whole time so much more.

Back on topic, Lewis doesn't need to answer any questions any more but I look forward to seeing him answer them anyway. It's going to be a long year for him at this rate but if he pulls something out of the bag it will be impressive. I would think things in the team aren't what they used to be and the focus will be on the future.

[paulguitar]

carlo996 said:

paulguitar said:

When you've been asked to explain specifically what you disagree with and why, you've been repeatedly unable or unwilling to do so. Your contribution to the F1 threads seems to be primarily the 'rolling on the floor laughing' emoji.


As you can see, some excellent discussion occurs here amongst people who have watched and attended F1 races for decades. If and when you feel able join in with that, you'd be very welcome to do so.

I disagree with your statement saying many believe he is 8* WDC, and it’s blatantly obvious that he isn’t. Not sure what you’re thinking really? I’ve watched Hamilton since he entered F1 thanks, it’s quite sad to see where he is now , but everyone has their time in the sunshine.

Everyone knows what happened in 2021, particularly those inside the sport. Equally, everyone now accepts that Verstappen has been recorded as the WDC of that season. It's done, and as disgraceful as what took place was, Masi was fired, and the 'sport' continues, although sullied.


As for Lewis now. Well, he was the best of the rest last season behind the Red Bulls. This season he has the 4th best car and so far seems a bit out of sorts. Mercedes clearly doesn't understand this set of regulations and it could be a pretty tedious season for Hamilton. Hopefully, he'll have a better time at Ferrari. I'd love to see him win a few races there, and ideally right the wrong of 2021. Ultimately, it won't make a big difference to how he is remembered when he's finally out of F1. As Mark Hughes wrote, he'd have been considered an all-time great if he'd retired at the end of 2007.