Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
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paulguitar said:
andym1603 said:
paulguitar said:
Nobody is 'laughing;' at him. Your posts are surreal.
Do you really believe that no one is laughing at him?PhilAsia said:
paulguitar said:
andym1603 said:
paulguitar said:
Nobody is 'laughing;' at him. Your posts are surreal.
Do you really believe that no one is laughing at him?PhilAsia said:
paulguitar said:
andym1603 said:
paulguitar said:
Nobody is 'laughing;' at him. Your posts are surreal.
Do you really believe that no one is laughing at him?MarkwG said:
PhilAsia said:
paulguitar said:
andym1603 said:
paulguitar said:
Nobody is 'laughing;' at him. Your posts are surreal.
Do you really believe that no one is laughing at him?Then there’s the other hundred million reasons he’s making the move, for one of the biggest sporting paychecks in history, yet one that Ferrari expect to mostly make back in merchandising alone!
He’s laughing all the way to the bank, and had already rewritten the F1 record books, but there’s still a bunch of internet idiots that think he’s a failure.
paulguitar said:
Stan the Bat said:
I saw Clark many times.
In my eyes he is the GOAT.
I'd love to hear more, Stan.In my eyes he is the GOAT.
Envious you got to see the great Clark 'live'. I've seen Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Hamilton, Hakkinen and many others. I'd love to have seen Clark, Moss, and Fangio.
Money's worth I should think.
Think I enjoyed the Cortina the most.
Also saw him drive the BRM H16 engined Lotus at Oulton--think he only drove that in the practice and not the race though.
Some of you obviously haven’t been watching F1 long enough. LH is being ridiculed at the moment and it’ll get worse as the season goes on. Humans do what humans do - they love to knock people off their high pedestal - that’s why champions rarely hang around for mediocrity.
In F1 parlance, drivers like Prost, Mansell, Mika, MS, Alonso and many others would rather die than be languishing as LH currently is. It is not good for confidence and rarely abates without a dramatic improvement in performance. We haven’t seen anything yet either - if this poor form continues they’ll be calling for Merc to swap him out for fear of losing out in the WCC.
Do you guys honestly think that if LH finishes the season 100 points off GR in the classification that the tifosi will be welcoming him with open arms? They won’t and if the poor form continues he’ll be out on his ear.
I’m a huge fan, have been since 2007, but I’ve also been watching F1 for many years and can remember when Mansell walked out on McLaren, Alonso walked out on McLaren, Prost got fired at Ferrari, Hill got fired by Williams etc etc. WDC were like gladiators in those days - they never lost or if they did, it wasn’t their fault, and they’d never lose to drivers with barely 1 win to their name - they’d be gone long before that happened because they knew that it is not good for their legacy.
Anyway, let’s see how it pans out, but I must admit these lacklustre performances are getting me worried.
In F1 parlance, drivers like Prost, Mansell, Mika, MS, Alonso and many others would rather die than be languishing as LH currently is. It is not good for confidence and rarely abates without a dramatic improvement in performance. We haven’t seen anything yet either - if this poor form continues they’ll be calling for Merc to swap him out for fear of losing out in the WCC.
Do you guys honestly think that if LH finishes the season 100 points off GR in the classification that the tifosi will be welcoming him with open arms? They won’t and if the poor form continues he’ll be out on his ear.
I’m a huge fan, have been since 2007, but I’ve also been watching F1 for many years and can remember when Mansell walked out on McLaren, Alonso walked out on McLaren, Prost got fired at Ferrari, Hill got fired by Williams etc etc. WDC were like gladiators in those days - they never lost or if they did, it wasn’t their fault, and they’d never lose to drivers with barely 1 win to their name - they’d be gone long before that happened because they knew that it is not good for their legacy.
Anyway, let’s see how it pans out, but I must admit these lacklustre performances are getting me worried.
maz8062 said:
Some of you obviously haven’t been watching F1 long enough. LH is being ridiculed at the moment and it’ll get worse as the season goes on. Humans do what humans do - they love to knock people off their high pedestal - that’s why champions rarely hang around for mediocrity.
Ridiculed by whom exactly? People on the internet who think that if they make an assertion enough times it suddenly becomes a truth? He’s scored points in every race he’s finished this year, and is set for a massive move to Ferrari next year. This year’s Ferrari is the second best car out there.
I’d take that ‘ridicule’ all day, for the records and the bank balance of Lewis Hamilton.
(I’m a relative newcomer on this forum, I only started watching seriously in 1988, although I was up for Mansell’s blowout in 1986).
Edited by Sandpit Steve on Tuesday 9th April 21:07
maz8062 said:
Some of you obviously haven’t been watching F1 long enough. LH is being ridiculed at the moment and it’ll get worse as the season goes on. Humans do what humans do - they love to knock people off their high pedestal - that’s why champions rarely hang around for mediocrity.
In F1 parlance, drivers like Prost, Mansell, Mika, MS, Alonso and many others would rather die than be languishing as LH currently is. It is not good for confidence and rarely abates without a dramatic improvement in performance. We haven’t seen anything yet either - if this poor form continues they’ll be calling for Merc to swap him out for fear of losing out in the WCC.
Do you guys honestly think that if LH finishes the season 100 points off GR in the classification that the tifosi will be welcoming him with open arms? They won’t and if the poor form continues he’ll be out on his ear.
I’m a huge fan, have been since 2007, but I’ve also been watching F1 for many years and can remember when Mansell walked out on McLaren, Alonso walked out on McLaren, Prost got fired at Ferrari, Hill got fired by Williams etc etc. WDC were like gladiators in those days - they never lost or if they did, it wasn’t their fault, and they’d never lose to drivers with barely 1 win to their name - they’d be gone long before that happened because they knew that it is not good for their legacy.
Anyway, let’s see how it pans out, but I must admit these lacklustre performances are getting me worried.
I gave up reading halfway through but that’s a brilliant post. Funniest irony read for years. In F1 parlance, drivers like Prost, Mansell, Mika, MS, Alonso and many others would rather die than be languishing as LH currently is. It is not good for confidence and rarely abates without a dramatic improvement in performance. We haven’t seen anything yet either - if this poor form continues they’ll be calling for Merc to swap him out for fear of losing out in the WCC.
Do you guys honestly think that if LH finishes the season 100 points off GR in the classification that the tifosi will be welcoming him with open arms? They won’t and if the poor form continues he’ll be out on his ear.
I’m a huge fan, have been since 2007, but I’ve also been watching F1 for many years and can remember when Mansell walked out on McLaren, Alonso walked out on McLaren, Prost got fired at Ferrari, Hill got fired by Williams etc etc. WDC were like gladiators in those days - they never lost or if they did, it wasn’t their fault, and they’d never lose to drivers with barely 1 win to their name - they’d be gone long before that happened because they knew that it is not good for their legacy.
Anyway, let’s see how it pans out, but I must admit these lacklustre performances are getting me worried.
MS came out of retirement to drive for Mercedes, didn't perform and retired again. So how does that not meet the criteria of rather dying than poncing about?
Hill wasn't fired, his contract term ended normally, and to Frank's surprise with a WDC. Losing Hill was the start of the rapid decline they still haven't recovered from.
Mansel's arse was too wide for the chassis, you'd think the designers might consider their signed driver needed to fit in the car.
Alonso, so many cockups with his relationships with teams and always choosing the wrong time to move. The Aston was probably his smartest move.
Hill wasn't fired, his contract term ended normally, and to Frank's surprise with a WDC. Losing Hill was the start of the rapid decline they still haven't recovered from.
Mansel's arse was too wide for the chassis, you'd think the designers might consider their signed driver needed to fit in the car.
Alonso, so many cockups with his relationships with teams and always choosing the wrong time to move. The Aston was probably his smartest move.
540TORQUES said:
MS came out of retirement to drive for Mercedes, didn't perform and retired again. So how does that not meet the criteria of rather dying than poncing about?
Hill wasn't fired, his contract term ended normally, and to Frank's surprise with a WDC. Losing Hill was the start of the rapid decline they still haven't recovered from.
Mansel's arse was too wide for the chassis, you'd think the designers might consider their signed driver needed to fit in the car.
Alonso, so many cockups with his relationships with teams and always choosing the wrong time to move. The Aston was probably his smartest move.
Thanks Torques. Saved us all some time.Hill wasn't fired, his contract term ended normally, and to Frank's surprise with a WDC. Losing Hill was the start of the rapid decline they still haven't recovered from.
Mansel's arse was too wide for the chassis, you'd think the designers might consider their signed driver needed to fit in the car.
Alonso, so many cockups with his relationships with teams and always choosing the wrong time to move. The Aston was probably his smartest move.
maz8062 said:
Some of you obviously haven’t been watching F1 long enough. LH is being ridiculed at the moment and it’ll get worse as the season goes on. Humans do what humans do - they love to knock people off their high pedestal - that’s why champions rarely hang around for mediocrity.
In F1 parlance, drivers like Prost, Mansell, Mika, MS, Alonso and many others would rather die than be languishing as LH currently is. It is not good for confidence and rarely abates without a dramatic improvement in performance. We haven’t seen anything yet either - if this poor form continues they’ll be calling for Merc to swap him out for fear of losing out in the WCC.
Do you guys honestly think that if LH finishes the season 100 points off GR in the classification that the tifosi will be welcoming him with open arms? They won’t and if the poor form continues he’ll be out on his ear.
I’m a huge fan, have been since 2007, but I’ve also been watching F1 for many years and can remember when Mansell walked out on McLaren, Alonso walked out on McLaren, Prost got fired at Ferrari, Hill got fired by Williams etc etc. WDC were like gladiators in those days - they never lost or if they did, it wasn’t their fault, and they’d never lose to drivers with barely 1 win to their name - they’d be gone long before that happened because they knew that it is not good for their legacy.
Anyway, let’s see how it pans out, but I must admit these lacklustre performances are getting me worried.
quite the reverse if you take the 2023 season , Mercedes really had a terrible car , they knew it and so did everyone in the paddock , yet race after race Lewis managed to out drive the car , he was consistently in the points , got 6 podiums 3x third places and 3x 2nd places......now on paper that simply shouldn't have happened , he out performed drivers in far better machinery and took every opportunity to get points .In F1 parlance, drivers like Prost, Mansell, Mika, MS, Alonso and many others would rather die than be languishing as LH currently is. It is not good for confidence and rarely abates without a dramatic improvement in performance. We haven’t seen anything yet either - if this poor form continues they’ll be calling for Merc to swap him out for fear of losing out in the WCC.
Do you guys honestly think that if LH finishes the season 100 points off GR in the classification that the tifosi will be welcoming him with open arms? They won’t and if the poor form continues he’ll be out on his ear.
I’m a huge fan, have been since 2007, but I’ve also been watching F1 for many years and can remember when Mansell walked out on McLaren, Alonso walked out on McLaren, Prost got fired at Ferrari, Hill got fired by Williams etc etc. WDC were like gladiators in those days - they never lost or if they did, it wasn’t their fault, and they’d never lose to drivers with barely 1 win to their name - they’d be gone long before that happened because they knew that it is not good for their legacy.
Anyway, let’s see how it pans out, but I must admit these lacklustre performances are getting me worried.
The Tifosi like a racer .............and Lewis is exactly that because regardless of the machinery he doesn't give up. Its the same with Alonso ,
540TORQUES said:
MS came out of retirement to drive for Mercedes, didn't perform and retired again. So how does that not meet the criteria of rather dying than poncing about?
Hill wasn't fired, his contract term ended normally, and to Frank's surprise with a WDC. Losing Hill was the start of the rapid decline they still haven't recovered from.
Mansel's arse was too wide for the chassis, you'd think the designers might consider their signed driver needed to fit in the car.
Alonso, so many cockups with his relationships with teams and always choosing the wrong time to move. The Aston was probably his smartest move.
Look back over the history of F1 and you will see practically zero occurrences where a WDC is being consistently beaten by their younger team mate and you won’t see a recovery in their form especially if they are in the twilight of their career. It simply doesn’t happen, from Hill at Jordan, Vettel at Ferrari, Piquet at Bennetton etc. These guys knew when the writing was in the wall and stepped away from it rather than sully their legacy. it is for this reason that I predict a fractious end to the LH/Merc relationship if things don’t improve.Hill wasn't fired, his contract term ended normally, and to Frank's surprise with a WDC. Losing Hill was the start of the rapid decline they still haven't recovered from.
Mansel's arse was too wide for the chassis, you'd think the designers might consider their signed driver needed to fit in the car.
Alonso, so many cockups with his relationships with teams and always choosing the wrong time to move. The Aston was probably his smartest move.
4 races into the season, Max has 77 points LH 10 and there are still 20 races to go. The season is already over for him so motivation is going to be tough. What would the champions of yesteryear do in his shoes, knowing that he’s off at the end of the season and will shortly have to ride shot gun, wing man even, for GR, the team leader? Your answer will be found in the history of F1, at least over the past 40 years or so.
paulguitar said:
maz8062 said:
The sport is laughing at him and that includes his own team. It sport has zero respect for him, it’s Goat, so it’s going to be one long season of endless ridicule. A proper management team wouldn’t have made such a silly mistake. Oh well.
Are you high?I think LH naively thought he’d have a long send off , like Kimi, Seb & Alonso. As it is he’s in a kind of performance spiral - downward, and soon Mercedes won’t even include him in updates, upgrades and meetings. GR will be flexing as team leader, LH the has been.
It’s a long road ahead. In the old days he’d have jacked it in and sat things out until 2025. All of this is humiliating and not clever - unless he can quickly turn things around.
maz8062 said:
The sport includes the media, the teams, the drivers, the fans. The incessant disrespectful questions that he’s having to respond to. Commentators claiming that Ferrari were wrong, Max would be a perfect replacement, Kimi being the future, GR the team leader - all absolute disrespectful nonsense.
I think LH naively thought he’d have a long send off , like Kimi, Seb & Alonso. As it is he’s in a kind of performance spiral - downward, and soon Mercedes won’t even include him in updates, upgrades and meetings. GR will be flexing as team leader, LH the has been.
It’s a long road ahead. In the old days he’d have jacked it in and sat things out until 2025. All of this is humiliating and not clever - unless he can quickly turn things around.
It's a little early to be drinking don't you think? I think LH naively thought he’d have a long send off , like Kimi, Seb & Alonso. As it is he’s in a kind of performance spiral - downward, and soon Mercedes won’t even include him in updates, upgrades and meetings. GR will be flexing as team leader, LH the has been.
It’s a long road ahead. In the old days he’d have jacked it in and sat things out until 2025. All of this is humiliating and not clever - unless he can quickly turn things around.
maz8062 said:
Some of you obviously haven’t been watching F1 long enough. LH is being ridiculed at the moment and it’ll get worse as the season goes on. Humans do what humans do - they love to knock people off their high pedestal - that’s why champions rarely hang around for mediocrity.
In F1 parlance, drivers like Prost, Mansell, Mika, MS, Alonso and many others would rather die than be languishing as LH currently is. It is not good for confidence and rarely abates without a dramatic improvement in performance. We haven’t seen anything yet either - if this poor form continues they’ll be calling for Merc to swap him out for fear of losing out in the WCC.
Do you guys honestly think that if LH finishes the season 100 points off GR in the classification that the tifosi will be welcoming him with open arms? They won’t and if the poor form continues he’ll be out on his ear.
I’m a huge fan, have been since 2007, but I’ve also been watching F1 for many years and can remember when Mansell walked out on McLaren, Alonso walked out on McLaren, Prost got fired at Ferrari, Hill got fired by Williams etc etc. WDC were like gladiators in those days - they never lost or if they did, it wasn’t their fault, and they’d never lose to drivers with barely 1 win to their name - they’d be gone long before that happened because they knew that it is not good for their legacy.
Anyway, let’s see how it pans out, but I must admit these lacklustre performances are getting me worried.
Even the rabid Red Bull fans make more sense than this. In F1 parlance, drivers like Prost, Mansell, Mika, MS, Alonso and many others would rather die than be languishing as LH currently is. It is not good for confidence and rarely abates without a dramatic improvement in performance. We haven’t seen anything yet either - if this poor form continues they’ll be calling for Merc to swap him out for fear of losing out in the WCC.
Do you guys honestly think that if LH finishes the season 100 points off GR in the classification that the tifosi will be welcoming him with open arms? They won’t and if the poor form continues he’ll be out on his ear.
I’m a huge fan, have been since 2007, but I’ve also been watching F1 for many years and can remember when Mansell walked out on McLaren, Alonso walked out on McLaren, Prost got fired at Ferrari, Hill got fired by Williams etc etc. WDC were like gladiators in those days - they never lost or if they did, it wasn’t their fault, and they’d never lose to drivers with barely 1 win to their name - they’d be gone long before that happened because they knew that it is not good for their legacy.
Anyway, let’s see how it pans out, but I must admit these lacklustre performances are getting me worried.
Complete nonsense.
And to even have the nerve to drop the "you must be new to F1" line.
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